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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: The Supplementary Estimate for 2018, Vote 13, refers to flood risk management.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: I am looking at the 2018 Estimate and the actual outturn. The difference between both is included in this Supplementary Estimate. Therefore, for estate management there is a greater outturn than what was estimated. What is that put down to?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: Therefore, some of these figures have nothing to do with today's meeting and are just part of the information that was given.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: Are there any other questions?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: This relates to the two figures for the payment of contractors, first, €1.005 million, and, second, €635,347, which gives an overall amount of approximately €1.64 million.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: This was questioned by Deputy Jonathan O'Brien.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: What is the total figure?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: The Deputy is looking for an explanation of both of those figures.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: Therefore, the Deputy requires information on roughly €400,000.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: If members have no other questions, I will make a comment. We went through this in detail today and on the previous occasion. The Minister of State will see from the engagement with members that a significant amount of information was not provided in a way that was clearly understood at the first meeting. To go back to Deputy O'Brien's query, we have to accept that the witnesses will write...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: I suggest that the Minister of State has an obligation to protect taxpayers' money. As I explained to Mr. Maurice Buckley, the proceedings in court are a step beyond common sense for both parties. Mediation was suggested. There have been a number of issues during the course of this matter and I do not accept that hiding behind the threat of a High Court action is sufficient. The...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: I am asking the Minister of State to provide the information on the history of this matter to the members of this committee. That does not affect the court case.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: Is the Minister of State refusing to give the information to this committee?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: It did not suit.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: I can understand-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: I am not asking that the committee be furnished with the details of the court case. I am asking that we be furnished with the generalities of the matter we are talking about. The Minister of State is not prohibited from sharing that information.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: The Minister of State is intending to go to court-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: -----backed by taxpayers' money.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: I am going to let it go at that. I assure the Minister of State he has not heard the end of this matter. I also assure him that the commitments given by the Office of Public Works, OPW, the then Minister of State, Deputy Canney, and two other Ministers, will be well ventilated and it will not be a pretty sight for the OPW.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2018
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Supplementary)
(4 Dec 2018)

John McGuinness: I am not availing of any advice. I just want to inform this committee. That is all.

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