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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Why is that? Is it because they are privileged advices and anything privileged should not go on a mass email?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes. Interesting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does the Vice Chairman not see what I am getting at?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Cuirim fáilte ar ais roimh Mr. O'Brien. We have five minutes so we will both have to be brief. Mr. O'Brien has not asked for the draft document from Deloitte.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: He has asked for it.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Has it given it to Mr. O'Brien?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: To be fair, that is not the question I asked Mr. O'Brien. Has he asked Deloitte for this document?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Why did he not ask for it in preparation for this committee meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Here we have a wee problem because a controversy arises over differences between the draft document and the final document. I would have thought, on the basis of simple common sense, that if I were in Mr. O'Brien's shoes, as the Accounting Officer, and wanted to satisfy my mind as to what happened or the significance of it, the first thing I would want to do would be to see the draft...

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Again, that is not my question. What objection does Mr. O'Brien have to reading the draft report?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Brien is not going to use up my five minutes with this.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Let me come to the second inconsistency in Mr. O'Brien's account. He referred to Deloitte telling us it was not part of its terms of reference to conclude whether the shortfall in funding was consequent to the whistleblowing. He has said that, at the last meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts he attended, there was a dispute around figures and that he would look at those figures. As...

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Excuse me. Mr. O'Brien referred in his statement to an appearance he made before this committee in February 2016. At that stage, these matters of public concern — the whistleblowing and the funding — were well ventilated and known. It seems to me that it was quite a deliberate decision not to ask Deloitte to examine the relationship between the whistleblowing and the funding....

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: When did the commission become active? I refer to the terms of reference.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Brien has said that repeatedly.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Brien, what you need-----

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. O'Brien will not avail of the opportunity to talk down the clock, as prepared as he is, for those purposes.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I thank Mr. O'Brien.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The Cathaoirleach has ruled that we have five minutes.

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