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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: When Mr. Cody says it is not viable or sustainable, is he saying that the option for hauliers will be to pick up the load in Germany or France, or wherever, and come straight back to Ireland, whether it is a half or a full load? At some stage that is going to have a major impact on a business. We can put that down as something serious that will impact on business and that we must consider....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: With a sealed container.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: That will be a major issue for the next day or same day delivery services, which are important, where there is a multiple of couriers and express delivery services now using airports and trucks to bring goods to Ireland because they will have to fill out individual declarations.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: Mr. Cody mentioned illicit goods earlier. I take an interest sometimes to relax watching the Australian programme where people are bringing all sorts of goods in which they should not be bringing in. That too will become an issue. With that in mind we have to have more regular random inspections than normal.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: For example, if Britain decided to be far more competitive and reduce its VAT rates and do all sorts of things that have an economic impact on the goods coming across the Border, there is the potential for criminals to make a greater effort to smuggle in the goods they will make money on. Therefore, will the Revenue's customs officers not have to be far more active if there is this type of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: If it did things that impacted on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: Mr. Cody spoke earlier to Deputy Doherty about the cross-Border issues and said that there is no customs post planned. He also mentioned then the examination of goods whether in the warehouse owned by the haulier or a bonded warehouse.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: Will that not put enormous pressure on both the operator and the Revenue Commissioners? I know about warehouses and they are packed to capacity. There is no room. If this is going to happen, they will have to expand or build on. Even though the Revenue Commissioners are doing this, it is almost like another customs post except that it is located in the individual's warehouse or in a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: That refers to Revenue's current customers. This new arrangement will create a whole lot of other customers for it. Currently, people travel up and down to Northern Ireland. I watched a programme on the subject recently where there was an immediate cross-Border aspect but it was in a geographically tight location. They will be affected by it. I do not want to be unfair to Mr. Cody but I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: Is that not next to impossible, in honesty?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: Is it possible to have a seamless transfer of goods across the border within the Thirty-two Counties without having any physical border?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: I understand that. The European Union will tell us that it wants a border and Mr. Cody said that it is up the national Government to decide its response to that. I am asking Mr. Cody how Revenue responds to that. Is Mr. Cody satisfied that in that scenario, where the European Union is demanding a border at Northern Ireland, there will be no physical structures or customs posts there and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: I understand that but how can Mr. Cody say that there will not be a physical presence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: Therefore, Mr. Cody cannot predict whether there will be a customs border.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: Containers and trucks come into Dublin Port where checks are undertaken and there is a possibility of random physical checks. I am not trying to put Mr. Cody on the spot on this matter, but it is reasonable to believe that in the absence of a backstop agreement that as part of their work, the Revenue Commissioners will require that they must have some sort of presence along the Border. Are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: Does that activity explain the 600 staff?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: They had better open an office here. Will that not hold up everything? It certainly has the potential to do so.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: Mr. Cody spoke about the budget and the cost to Revenue being roughly €30 million or €32 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: Is that €32 million on top of the €13.5 million?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit Preparedness and Related Matters: Revenue Commissioners (24 Jan 2019)

John McGuinness: Will that be €45 million in 2019?

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