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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: I do not know how the Minister can say this measure will work because the only measurement he has set is the amount of tax it will bring in. He and his Cabinet colleagues have no measurement or any other way to measure whether it will work or none that he is willing to offer or write down on a piece of paper during his time as Minister for Finance. I understand why that is the case, and it...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: It will raise €3 million to €4 million.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: What is the average charge?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: There are 166,000 vacant premises. The Minister estimates that approximately 6,000, if not fewer, will be registered?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: We have different numbers regarding all of this. The Central Statistics Office, CSO, has talked about 166,000 vacant properties as per the preliminary results of its census. The Minister expects to get 6,000 of the 166,000 properties the CSO identified. Is that right?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Is there any concern that when the Minister for Finance asked people to tell him how many vacant properties they had so that he could charge them tax, they might have under-represented their properties in their self-assessed forms?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: The Minister is targeting 6,200 properties. Is that what he said? He believes-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: That leaves 51,000 properties declared vacant on local property tax returns on which the Minister believes tax will not be paid. Is that correct?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Did the local property tax survey or any further survey try to ascertain the reason for vacancy?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: I expect that many of the holiday homes in the State will actually fall under the vacant property tax given the 30-days provision. Does the Minister not agree?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Most people with holiday homes may come to it for a week or two weeks in the summer. They might also spend a weekend in it here and there. Even four weeks will not satisfy this provision so such properties will come under this tax.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: That is my point. I am saying that the tax will arise in respect of a large number of holiday homes because they are not used as frequently as that. Some people are down in their holiday homes every weekend but others will not be used as much.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: I will ask the Minister about some of the detail of the section. Deputy Matthews talked about uninhabitable properties earlier. There are different pieces of legislation regarding the household charge going back to 2011 and the local property tax. However, the definition here is "in use as a dwelling" as opposed to "habitable". The dwelling must be in use for 30 days. I am curious about...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: I have a couple of other questions. What penalty is applied to people who fail to declare that their property is vacant and therefore do not pay what they are liable to on 1 January 2024? Does that penalty increase each year? If we take somebody whose liability was €500 who did not self-declare in the first year, that person would have an accumulated liability of €1,000 in...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: How will the €100 apply? Will the Minister explain that to me again?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Can the Minister compare the 8% interest charge in respect of somebody who does not declare and pay his or her liability in respect of a vacant house to the non-principal private residence charge, which was on a monthly basis, or the household charge? I think the household charge was set at 8% but I know that when it went over to Revenue it increased.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: How does the late payment fee compare with the household charge? The late payment fee in respect of the household charge is quite significant, given the length of time that people should have paid it. The late payment fee in respect of the non-principal private residence charge was, I think, charged on the basis of a month.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: I am looking here at what I imagine is inaccurate information, but the late payment fee for the household charge was 1% per month. I presume that that is more punitive than what the Minister proposes here.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Maybe I will phrase my question like this. A number of charges are already applied but these are applied to people who live in their homes. They are actually their homes, as opposed to vacant houses they are just leaving empty. In drafting this legislation, and given the Minister's consideration of this matter and the lengthy time that has passed since he has been thinking about it, did he...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Select Committee (16 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: It would be helpful if the Minister could provide us with information on somebody with a household charge of €500 or whatever - it was not €500 but €200 at the time - and the penalties that would apply in such a case, and somebody with a charge of €200 for vacancy and how the penalties will apply there. May I ask the Minister about the reach in respect of...

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