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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: The question I asked was whether his Department was aware of it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: The Department was aware of this while it was happening, but no approval had been sought?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: I know what the Comptroller and Auditor General is saying. The question I asked was if the Department was aware of this while it was happening but had not been asked for approval. Is that the case, yes or no?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform was aware.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: What was the reason for the non-approval? Was it a time-based thing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Those were retrospective.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: No, I mean that ordinarily approval would have been sought from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. In these four cases, that approval was not sought.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Four virement transactions took place that were not approved by the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Has the Department retrospectively sanctioned these actions yet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Resulting in the need for so-called retrospective sanction.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Right. Basically, that is what happened - it was retrospective.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: If we can do that in the case of €1 billion, what would Mr. Moloney say is wrong with that process?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: How much was it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: It was happening.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: And what does the Comptroller and Auditor General say to that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Has the Secretary General remedied that situation for the future?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: To strengthen or eradicate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: The formal procedure was not followed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: And that has been remedied.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Will there be any sanction if it is not followed for the future? Will there be any sanction for those involved who do not follow the process?

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