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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: Ireland has probably been the strongest supporter of the Palestinian people. The late Brian Lenihan Snr. was the first to call for the Palestinians' right to a homeland.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: Every state, under international law, has a right to defend itself. People have the right to defend themselves. However, Hamas is not a state.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: I do not believe there is ethnic cleansing in the sense of how we have experienced ethnic cleansing, for example, the Holocaust, Rwanda and other such locations.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: I read it out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: No, I did not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: I suppose there is a recording of the meeting anyway.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: It is not a funding issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: I will explain later.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: For the Deputy’s information, I will clarify something about pay. A general recruit coming out of the leaving certificate, on completion of training, will be on €38,000 in year 1, €39,000 in year 2 and €40,700 in year 3. I spoke about school-leaver cadets and graduates. I am giving this information for the sake of completeness, as it was not in the original...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: What I said was: “To this end, I can confirm that Defence Forces management is progressing the introduction of an interim time and attendance system on a pilot basis which will inform future systems.” For completeness-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: It has been a long day and the Deputy might not have caught every paragraph.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: I will explain it to the Deputy. Sorry, a Chathaoirligh.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: In what way was it not a good encounter?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: Does the Cathaoirleach mean in terms of the communication with the representative body?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: The Cathaoirleach said that the experience with the representative association was not a pleasant one.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: A comprehensive written update on all 38 early actions was published on 23 March last. This included a detailed status update, in tabular form, for each of the 38 early actions and outlined what had been achieved. That was fully transparent and was made available publicly. We said that 95% of the early actions had been completed. There is a difference between the 38 early actions and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: Well it is 95% of 38, I was just making a point. That was the level of detail published on 23 March because the high-level action plan identified 38 early actions. Parallel to this, it provided the necessary building blocks to develop a detailed implementation plan and the establishment of the oversight group. I have no difficulty with the committee having an oversight role and access to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: I want to finish my contribution and then the Senator can contribute. It is not acceptable that I be interrupted in this way. I know people coming out of college and what they are getting. This is a good thing because we want to attract people into the Defence Forces. It needs to be acknowledged that these pay increases have improved matters again. We need to do more. Recently,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Micheál Martin: -----the manifestation of the physical investment that has happened over the last while , and continues to happen. There are 120 capital projects under way in respect of our Defence Forces. That is open; people can see it. I have no difficulty with the committee meeting people in every barracks who will outline for the members the capital projects that are either at design stage or other...

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