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Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I will stop Mr. Healy there. Since 2014, HIQA has done 2,273 independent inspections. How many of those related to elderly people, as opposed to children or those with disabilities?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I appreciate that but I would like to be more specific because we are discussing the fair deal scheme. The role of the Committee of Public Accounts is to ensure taxpayers' money is spent prudently. I want to ascertain how many of those inspections related to the elderly. Can the witness answer that today?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: There are approximately 1,000 inspections per year.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Does the witness know, even approximately, how many of those relate to the elderly?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: The witness is a representative of the HSE, so I am just wondering if it has that information.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I appreciate that but it is just not answering my question. The witness does not have the information here but perhaps he can provide it to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: That would be great. There have been cases of systemic abuse of the elderly. I would like to know, and I am sure the committee would like to know, how many of those independent inspections specifically related to the elderly. The fair deal scheme is on the agenda today so the information would have been helpful. Is the delegation in a position to answer how any potential neglectful or...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: That applies to each individual nursing home, whether it is public or private. Is Mr. Healy talking about what is essentially a human resources department that might deal with complaints?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: There is not uniform measure.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: What happens if somebody is identified as a possibly neglectful person?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: If somebody makes a complaint about a caregiver, where does it go?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Could Mr. Healy give an assurance to the committee that the neglect and abuse we have seen towards the elderly will not occur again, particularly with regard to the measures the executive has taken?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Okay. I hope so. With regard to the health repayment scheme, I note €453 million was repaid between 2007 and 2009 where charges were incorrectly imposed. I appreciate that the HSE has held its hands up in that regard. It is a substantial amount to have overcharged, so it would be very helpful for the Committee of Public Accounts to know why and how it happened. This is not a...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: How were the claims substantiated individually?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Apparently, approximately 35,000 people should have received compensation but did not. Is that incorrect?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Why was that the case? Were any efforts made to find these people?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Is the HSE satisfied that sufficient efforts have been made? It is seldom people refuse a refund.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: It is on the agenda today.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Is the donations account still in existence?

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