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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: Does Mr. Barry not think it would be important to minute those meetings if he is briefing the Minister? This is a very high-profile project.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: I am asking Mr. Barry if he would not think it important to minute those meetings.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: Okay. Mr. Barry meets the Minister as and when required. Is it at the Minister's request or at Mr. Barry's? How does it happen? Mr. Barry has said there are no scheduled meetings. I do not know how it is arranged or who requests it. If no formal arrangements are in place-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: Does the Minister attend any of the board meetings? Does he receive an update from those? Does Mr. Barry give them as and when required?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: Mr. Barry expects that Mr. Jim Breslin would brief the Minister directly on all operational matters on a day-to-day basis.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: Okay. Would that meeting be minuted given that it would be a very important meeting with the Secretary General of the Department?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: With the greatest of respect, I would not expect Mr. Barry to be sitting there with his shorthand notebook. However, are the meetings minuted? I would have thought it would have been important that meetings on a project of this size would be minuted because the Minister and the Secretary General are in attendance and these are important meetings.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: Many people have been presuming people are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: I know and that is very clear. Mr. Barry has said that to date the claims come in at less than €1 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: Awarded.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: I have a number of questions on this. We know that with major infrastructural projects the claims will continue for up to four or five years afterwards. They do not all get settled as they go along as Mr. Barry would know. In his experience are the bulk of the claims settled at the early stages of construction, or are they more likely to be settled towards the end or afterwards?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: And even beyond the end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: When whoever is the Minister gets to jump out of a car to cut the ribbon, it might be five years from that before we get the final figure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: The claims will obviously run and run.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: I suspect later. Mr. Barry is saying that the claims settled to date amount to less than €1 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: While I am no engineer, my information is that at this point in the proceedings we would be talking about a very small level of claims settled and the bulk of them will not happen until closer to the end or after the final handover date. The figure of €1 million would not be much by way of a guide. It is not possible to say that just because it was €1 million for the first...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: It is likely to be multiples of that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: What is that timeframe?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: How many?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Louise O'Reilly: Okay. The 60 days Mr. Devine outlined are made up of 20, 20, ten and ten days. However, Mr. Barry has said it will probably be 2024 or later. There is a bit of a contradiction in that.

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