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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Has he read the 2009 document? I understand that there would be volumes of documents.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Is Mr. Carlyle familiar with the 2009 document?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Even regarding the position paper, would CIÉ not have engaged with the unions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Was the Minister made aware of them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Normally, a position paper provides the basis for discussions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Position papers are normally options to be considered. We know the board did not give the trade unions the options to be considered. Did it inform the Minister of the options to be considered?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: What options were provided to the trade unions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Will Mr. Carlyle confirm that the then Minister was never given sight of the options in that position paper?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Will Mr. Gill confirm if the options in the position paper were shown to the then Minister?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Given that there has been little or no consultation with the trade unions up to now, is Mr. Gill saying future engagements will only be through the WRC?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Will he give a commitment today that the unions will be at the table?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: I did not use the word “consultation”. I used the word “engagement”. I see them as two different matters. Consultation involves putting options. Engagement involves discussing and coming to an agreement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: I am not getting a straight answer on this. It is quite frustrating. Is the only way CIÉ will engage with the unions through the WRC? Given the bad feeling that has come to pass over the lack of engagement, will Mr. Gill give a commitment today to engage with the trade unions outside of the WRC?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: May we have a copy of that letter and the other document to which Mr. Ahern referred?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: The union had indicated clarification on that. Can we get that please?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Relax.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: When the request for funding for independent legal advice was refused in recent weeks, as outlined in the letter that was mentioned, am I right in saying the reason given was that the committee had its own resources? Did the committee make the decision to refuse it on the basis that it had its own resources? If the committee has its own resources, what mechanism is open to the committee if...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: Yes, but what mechanism is open now? What we want now is to secure the funding for the free legal advice.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: How do we do that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: CIÉ Group Pensions: Discussion (7 Mar 2018)

Imelda Munster: The committee has agreed the motion for the next committee meeting to call on the Minister to agree. If the Minister refuses, I propose that we invite him to appear before the committee to explain his reasons for refusal.

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