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Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Is Mr. O'Brien saying there was no contact with the Garda on 6 March 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Was there any contact with the Garda as a result of the protected disclosure that was made to this committee on the previous day, 5 March 2016? Did the HSE contact the Garda about Grace on 6 March 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: It is just that the timing seems to be coincidental.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: My apologies if I was not clear.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: No, I am not asking that. Forgive me if I am wrong, Chairman, I am only a member of this committee for seven months but my understanding is that a protected disclosure on Grace was made to this committee on 5 March 2016.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: And then the Garda was contacted by the HSE the following day.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: The Garda was not contacted at all.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: That does not tally with the information I have but if that is the evidence Mr. O'Brien is going to give to the committee today then I have no option but to accept it. Is Mr. O'Brien saying that there was absolutely no contact?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Was there any contact at all by the HSE on 6 March 2016 with the Garda?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: No, I think we are talking about this particular issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Mr. O'Brien mentioned that already. If he is saying there was no contact then there was no contact. If he believes there was, he might come back to me about it.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Apologies, it was 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I meant 2015. My apologies. I am sorry if I confused Mr. O'Brien. I will correct the year. It was 5 March 2015 and 6 March 2015. I want to know if the HSE had any contact with the Garda on that day because my understanding is there was a protected disclosure made to the previous Committee of Public Accounts on 5 March 2015 and the timing seems quite coincidental.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: So it is exactly the day after the protected disclosure was made to the previous Committee of Public Accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Does that seem coincidental to Mr. O'Brien?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: It is a big coincidence.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I will move on.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Does Mr. O'Brien not think when we are trying to look at this objectively it is a small ravine between the two days? One event happened the day after the other.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Mr. O'Brien can come back to us about that. I just want to move on because I am very conscious of the little time I have.

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