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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: The HSE is reporting that it put that verification process in place last November which means that, as a committee, we could be looking theoretically at six months of data if we so chose.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: None of us has seen any signs of this verification process to show that the hospitals, which, it sounds from what Ms Clyne is describing, are effectively self-reporting into a system, whether it be paper records or by email. We have not seen any of that verification process to show that reporting of rostering is not still an issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I will expand on the 48 hours because we are starting to talk about it as though it is a standard whereas, in fact, it is meant to operate as a maximum.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: What are the standard hours?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: So it is meant to be 39 hours.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Beyond the 48 hours, what is the highest number of hours that has been reported to Ms Clyne by an individual?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Seventy-two hours is not unusual and over 100 hours is up there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: How many days over the ten days has somebody worked on the trot?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Wow, okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: When you get to the end of that 18 or 19 days, you are not necessarily talking about, let us say, a week off. You are talking about maybe a couple of days off.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: A day and then back for that, maybe, again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Has the IMO any communication from the HSE about when its representatives might be able to sit down and see some of that data?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I suppose I am asking if there no agreement that at a certain point, say, eight months, ten months or 12 months in, a report will be issued, because an incomplete piece of data is not verifiable in any sense.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Does the membership of that oversight committee include the Medical Council?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: In the discussion around that 48-hour working directive, has the Medical Council been involved?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Is the Medical Council parsing the data in the way that the IMO is?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: As my time is not up, I will raise one more topic, if that is okay. I want to go back to that issue of critical skills and people being able to bring their families here. The IMO was saying that it seems fairly standard now that people are waiting for up to a year. I am sure that there are people waiting far longer than that in some instances. Something that jumped out at me is that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Of course, one would do so if one cannot be with one's family in the long term.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: It seems extraordinary. When we give a person a particular type of visa, there would be an expectation. It is reasonable for that person to have an expectation that his or her family would be able to join him or her on that visa. Is there communication between the IMO and the Department on why those issues might be arising?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Employment of Consultants and Non-consultant Hospital Doctors in Public Hospitals: Irish Medical Organisation (22 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I thank Ms Clyne.

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