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Written Answers — Department of Children and Youth Affairs: Legislative Measures (3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: The Department of Children and Youth Affairs has responsibility for 8 Acts that have been enacted since November 2013. These are listed in tabular form below. Number Act Name Enacted on No. 11 of 2018 Childcare Support Act 2018 02-Jul-18 No. 19 of 2017 Adoption (Amendment) Act 2017 19-Jul-17 ...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: I thank the Chairman and members of the committee for making time available to consider our Supplementary Estimate for subhead A.3 of the Vote which provides funding to Tusla, the Child and Family Agency. The agency provides both universal and targeted services across a range of areas for children's protection, welfare and educational welfare as well as alternative care arrangements for...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: I appreciate the question regarding the cost and understand why the Deputy might ask it. I do not have the breakdown he asked for in terms of insurance and staffing costs. It may be possible to get those data. What we do have is just the average cost, as I have already described. With regard to the cost of renting private facilities, but not so much the cost of insurance, I understand...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: Again, I understand the Deputy's question. I do not have the more specific breakdown the Deputy requested but we can provide it later. I have mentioned already some of the differences in a private facility. A private facility can react more quickly to make space available. I already indicated the numbers of private centres versus Tusla-run or voluntarily run centres. The figure I gave...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: The information is that Tusla services can be more expensive. It is not necessarily-----

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: -----because of profit but because of the diversity of the context.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: I have said that we would provide that to the Deputy.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: I am not sure why the Deputy said he would need transparency.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: And I said I would provide it.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: That is correct. I have also said I completely understand the request. I have indicated that sometimes the Tusla service is more expensive. My information is that is because sometimes the people who are working in those settings are effectively on a higher pay scale. That is information I can provide to the committee. A further breakdown has been sought, which is reasonable. It will be...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: My information is that, in some cases, children need to be cared for in individual settings in light of the requirements of their circumstances and who they are. In my opening statement I referred to nine children who are currently being cared for in individual settings. That is because professional practice, regulations and quality provision are being followed. Unfortunately, that is the...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: What is the Deputy quoting from?

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: I appreciate why the Deputy is asking the question, and it may be the case that we will have to go and check this. I am very happy to come back to her with information. Members will be aware that in recent years there was a major investment in the ICT system and practices were standardised. It may be that the data are now being collected in that context, but they may not yet be fully...

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: For the years 2014 to 2018.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: Yes. I appreciate that it was prior to the full integration of the IT system that was developed. As I understand it, the system will be integrated and it will provide us with the data.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: To provide further answer to the Deputy's question, I will have to find out explicitly what the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform was referring to, apart from what I have offered.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: I could provide lots of data to the Deputy.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: I accept that.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: We were.

Select Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Supplementary Estimates for the Public Services 2019
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(3 Dec 2019)

Katherine Zappone: I found Committee Stage to have been a very helpful exchange in which the committee identified a number of issues. I promised that we would begin to really investigate and interrogate them and subsequent to that time, we have been consulting with the Office of the Attorney General on the issues. We have also received a submission from the Ombudsman for Children, which raised some similar...

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