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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: That is the response the Deputy is going to get. I call Deputy Niall Collins. I will take three questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: I invite Ms Ní Chonaill to respond.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: With regret, I have to intervene. We deal with justice issues, not employment issues. That is for a separate committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: I have to be careful not to move to that area, because this is the justice side of it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: Senator Zappone has three questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: Deputy O'Dowd has three questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: Who wants to take that question? Ms Ní Chonaill, you have your hand up.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: Deputy McGrath, you wanted to come in with a question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: Deputy Farrell wants to come in a second time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: No, you are not excluding anyone, and I will not exclude anyone. Do not worry.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: Could you forward some of that information to the clerk for the information of members, please?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: Through the Chair, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: Deputy McGrath, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: Sorry; that is enough.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: We will have two more supplementary questions from Deputy Ferris.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: Could I just ask a couple of questions myself? In the first paragraph of her opening statement, Ms Ní Chonaill mentioned the image of boats heading like an armada across the Mediterranean, which is a reality that we know. Why does the witness think the armada of boats is coming across the Mediterranean at the moment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: I may have my figures incorrect here, but I understand tens of thousands of people have drowned in the Mediterranean in the last year and the year before in attempting to get across to Europe. Could I put it to the witness that the desperation of these people must be absolutely enormous to face such terrible hazards to try and get to Europe? They must be leaving something absolutely...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: I do not want to be emotive on this, but people are so desperate that they leave in coffin ships which may have little chance of surviving the Mediterranean, and while many have perished, many thousands have been saved from death by the Italian Navy and others. Is the witness suggesting that maybe these rescue attempts should not happen, as some others have said?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: So is the witness suggesting that the assistance by European navies given to these particular people in boats should not happen and they should be allowed to die?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

David Stanton: I suggest that it do that because Ms Ní Chonaill started off talking about an armada of boats. This armada of boats, if I can put it to the witness, with respect, is because of the horrific situation in Syria and across north Africa and further south. People are driven because of race, religion or otherwise to try and survive with their lives in many instances. Their choice would...

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