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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: I know that but I need to know about the people in the headline Department working to put the conditions in place for where this money is being allocated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: How many people within the Department work to put the conditions together to administer this fund?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: The principal officer cannot just work on his own.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: There is a gross fund of €259 million and there are three people in a Department putting the conditions together to allocate that to various other Departments.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: The Department underspent its own budget, is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: The Department is now being asked to manage a fund which traditionally has significant underspends and lack of allocations. Would Mr. McCarthy accept that it is failure within the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Is Mr. McCarthy happy that there are three people in the Department who are coming up with the conditions, which is an onerous responsibility in respect of a fund with a gross value of €259 million? I imagine that each of the Departments which will benefit from this fund will have to make a submission to the Department of Community and Rural Development in order to get an allocation...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: That goes back to the Government and the Minister. We are saying the reason this has not been allocated is policy leadership.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Mr. McCarthy is talking about the review that has not happened yet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Again, this is in breach of the Department's statutory requirements.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: It is easy to identify issues. Members are frustrated because we meet the affected organisations on a weekly basis and they have revealed gaps in whom the State funds. This has been going on over a protracted period of time and it is totally inefficient that there is a fund which cannot be allocated to the most vulnerable people in our society. Can Mr. McCarthy take responsibility for...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: The administration costs per annum for Pobal seem to have dropped down to €200,000 from €750,000. What is the reason for that reduction? Over a 13-year period there was €15 million, which would be approximately €1.15 million per annum, so why did it suddenly drop in 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Does it mean nothing is being done?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: This is not adding up at all. Demand is growing and communities are crying out for this money but the Department is spending less on getting the money to Departments. The figure must have been over €1 million in some years.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Does Mr. McCarthy think Pobal is doing a good job?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Can Mr. McCarthy briefly summarise Pobal's place in this jigsaw?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: The money comes to Mr. McCarthy's Department, then there is Pobal and the Department to which the money is being allocated. There is layer upon layer before it gets to the people in the community who need it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: "Complexity" is putting it mildly. It is not working.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Does Mr. McCarthy think the system is working?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: That is an understatement. It is not working and it is an absolute disgrace.

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