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Leaders' Questions (23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: The kangaroo is out again.

Leaders' Questions (23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: Or a kangaroo court.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: Thank you, Chairman. I welcome the witnesses and thank Mr. O'Brien for his presentation. Prior to my becoming a member of this committee, issues relating to section 38 agencies were examined in considerable detail here. I understand a total of 202 business cases were presented to the HSE relating to instances where the remuneration of individuals was outside of the accepted pay policy...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: Can Mr. O'Brien give us information on those cases?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: Is the HSE aware of the total remuneration package in these two cases?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: How far outside of the cap are the remuneration packages in these cases?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: However, this has been going on for more than a year and we still do not have the full information. It involves only two individuals. When can we expect to have the full information in this regard?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: If it is anticipated that a business case is due from Holles Street, can we not take it that the remuneration of the individuals concerned is outside the cap?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: The pay is coming from another source?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: Do we know what that source is?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: The National Maternity Hospital is funded through the HSE and it is important that we should know what its staff are being paid. Two years after this process began, it seems there are two people employed by it whose remuneration is outside the cap, but we still do not know how much they are being paid or from what source the pay is coming. That is not acceptable.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: When will we have that information?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: What if he does not receive that information? This has dragged on for years, with Holles Street still not in compliance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: However, I reiterate that it is not acceptable to have an outlier in the case of Holles Street, two years after this process began. Did the HSE not consider the matter important enough to seek to clear it up before now? There are 202 other cases where issues have arisen in regard to red circling and so on, but this uncertainty in regard to the personnel at Holles Street cases is allowed to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: How much does Holles Street hospital get from the HSE every year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: That is a considerable amount of money for an important institution in Dublin. After everything that has happened on the pay issue, was it not on the HSE’s radar to deal with this issue before now?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: This discussion relates to several individuals and what happened in 2013. If there were allowances made available to them from an outside source, do we know if they have been discontinued?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: Are they publicly funded for public work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: Yet it is enhanced from another source.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Chapter 14 - Procurement by the Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2013
(23 Apr 2015)

Patrick O'Donovan: Does that not sound familiar?

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