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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: That is a power that the NSAI does not have at all.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: That means, for example, for any concrete block manufacturer, the NSAI does not have the capacity and does not undertake independent lab tests of the material. It is solely reliant on the tests that are provided by the manufacturer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: With respect to the Donegal report of the quarries that were inspected, how many independent lab tests or independent geologist examinations were requested by the NBCMSO?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: How many fall under that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Seventeen out of how many? Would it be several hundred?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Just in Donegal. I apologise. In Mr. Butler's exchange with Deputy Mac Lochlainn, the Deputy had query on deleterious materials. Unfortunately, I did not get to write down Mr. Butler's response quickly enough. He kind of indicated that the NBCMSO's test would not necessarily identify those. Did I understand that correctly?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: The work of the geologists would identify that but in the block itself. Is there a way or test that can identify deleterious materials once the block is manufactured or is that something that can only be done at the geologists' stage?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: It is not required.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: The NBCMSO could not investigate that even if it wanted to. The only reason I am asking the question is because there has been so much focus on defective block.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: That is very helpful.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I will go back to the NSAI. While it cannot do independent lab tests of the block, it can obviously do independent lab tests of the material that goes into the block – of the aggregates, etc. Is that correct? Does it have the authority to do that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Can it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I will explain the reason I am asking that. I refer, for example, to building control in Dublin city. Dublin City Council inspects 100% of all multi-unit developments. It does not have to do so. The protocol requires about 15%. This means that there are two checks. There are the assigned certifiers, the design certifiers, but there is also the local authority. It would seem that in a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: In this particular area.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Ms Phelan is indicating that there are not necessarily the skills or competence. Is there the requisite number of staff? Seventy sounds like a lot until it is divided among 31 local authorities, some of which have a significant amount of activity. Is that a sufficient number of people to undertake the work that we are talking about?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: How many full-time building control officers do we have in the local authority system? Is Ms Phelan saying it is fewer than 70?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Do we have a number?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Which ten bodies are involved?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I thank Mr. Ó Coigligh for his patience with us. There are some of us who, while we acknowledge much has changed, are aware there are also things that have not changed. While it is slightly tangential to today's discussion, I have a very large building in my own constituency that has been fully occupied without a single completion certificate for many years and there does not seem to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: In terms of that specific issue which Ms Phelan raised, which I thought was very important, that even when one checks all of that a block that meets the standard may not be fit for purpose for use in certain locations or certain buildings, is that set out for building control officers in technical guidance documents? Ms Neary wants to get in on it as well.

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