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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Farnan talked about Covid in this context. The locations at highest risk, from very early on, were nursing homes. The HSE moved people out having assessed that there was a Covid-related risk but moved them to adverse environments. Is that a fair comment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: It is very difficult to make sense of the thinking behind this in terms of patient safety and the instability people who are going through significant turmoil in their lives are experiencing because of a lack of a definite pathway to permanent accommodation. If Mr. Farnan cannot tell me now, will he let me know the number of those 20 people who went into nursing homes and the number who went...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: We recall the debacle with the dialogue between the Department of Health and the HSE on recruitment and whether the targets were real. It is one in particular I would be watching. I might take that up with the HSE separately as to how this came about, given it had decided there was a need and offered jobs, and then there was not a need.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: This is from the panel.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I will come back to the HSE on that specific one because I want to understand it. I want to raise a more local issue that relates to a couple of funded palliative care positions in St. Brigid’s Hospice. I think the hospice is an outlier in that there is no place for families to be referred for life management. For example, let us say a parent is dying, there are young children, and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I will come back to the HSE on that. On another point, I do not understand the thought process in regard to purchase as opposed to rent in regard to the one in Cork. I want to pick up on a point made by Deputy Carroll MacNeill about the audit of CAMHS services. Does that audit include the service users and their parents? They are sometimes the ones who are capable of telling us where...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I want to go back to the issue of St. Brigid's Hospice in Kildare. Funding was provided for a social worker role three years ago, but the governance and the advertisement, as I understand it, has not happened. Funding was also provided in 2022 for a chaplaincy role, but there was no advertisement for that role either. What happens to the funding for roles that are not filled? Before we...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: If there is no person recruited for a particular role, then the organisation has a surplus. If the hospice got money three years ago and somebody is only recruited this year-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I invite Mr. Reid to respond to the question I asked.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Next week we will have a different topic and, like the rest of us, Deputy Hourigan will get her ten minutes. If it was not true, it is not entirely fair to the member to have her time taken up. We should not accept from anybody that witnesses are not candid with us.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: What Department does motor tax relate to?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Does the Department retain all the motor tax funds?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: All of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: It was ring-fenced as the Local Government Fund from the year 2000.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Recently, one of the things that was said was that we need to learn lessons from previous experience regarding big contracts. This is a case in point. There are all sorts of figures about what it will cost to build the hospital before there has been any tender process. That is leaving aside the appalling decision on the land on which the hospital will be located, and its ownership. What...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Sure. It would be useful if we could find out when the decision-making process commenced? I do not think we learn lessons. We talk about lessons learned but there is plenty of evidence to show that we do not learn.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, I am. We have had the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board in several times. One of the issues that appears to have been hugely problematic is where there is inadequate preparation. This refers to inadequate preparation in advance of a project. There are then amendments and claims. We really need to keep a close eye on this process if we are to ensure that with any further...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: It started off with people saying it was going to cost €350 million. It then went to €500 million and then to €800 million and now there is talk of it being €1 billion without any analysis of it. I think a figure has been picked out of thin air, which is a terrible way to proceed because it involves going to tender afterwards where these figures are-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: We are going to be a net contributor from the point of view of our overall finances but quite a sizeable amount comes the other way. Seeing the combination of the two would be very useful as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Irish Water is competing with that in terms of scrutiny.

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