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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: If it is covered in our most recent periodic report, we will receive a minute from the Department. It is not off our desk completely in that regard. The next item is statements and accounts received since the last meeting. We will move through this relatively quickly. I want to get these issues dealt with because if they are not, there will be a build-up for next week, the following...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: There are also issues in respect of procurement non-compliance. This is occurring across the board. It is being highlighted by ETBs. The need for internal audit has been recognised in that sector. The next item is the Educational Research Centre, which receives a clear audit opinion. Attention is drawn to the recognition of deferred pensions. It is a new organisation in its second year...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: I suspect that improvements have since been made. The next item is No. 4.6, the health repayment scheme (donation) funds. There is no turnover. It is a fund established a number of years ago to receive donations from long-stay patients or their estates arising out of the overpayment of charges. The next item is a special account established for the purposes of the Health (Repayment...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Royal Irish Academy has been given clear audit opinion. A deferred pension issue again arises. Dundalk Institute of Technology has also been given a clear audit opinion. Again, however, internal control is an issue. At least with the ETBs, we have gone from a situation where they were not producing accounts to a situation where they are now producing accounts. We now know they have an...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is good. As I have said, we are finding an improvement. We are certainly not there yet with the ETB.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. It was bad planning by the Government to set up organisations. I have seen three or four cases. We might have to deal with that. Three years after they passed the legislation, they did not know which public bodies should be included under the public service pension scheme. Where were they going? There was a lack of planning when they drafted the legislation.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: New legislation-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. There is no learning. The Deputy is right. Everything we are seeing here was foreseeable in advance, if anybody had thought about it. There is nothing that should shock people. Everything we are witnessing in the context of the ETB sector, including the internal audit function, was foreseeable. There were approximately 30 old bodies - I am not sure how many of them there were - and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Fail to plan,-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----plan to fail. That is it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. There is a space here. We have seen this occurring a few times in the last period. When legislation is passed, no assessment is carried out.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Probably.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Carlow and Waterford.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

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