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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: If we do not know the number of quarries and when they are opening or closing, we do not know if they are compliant with planning or licensing. How does market surveillance operate other than in a completely reactive way like in Donegal where there is a national scandal and people are sent in after the fact to look at it? I want to go back to Mr. Aidan O'Connell's commentary about a quarry...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I am sure that the officials would have a level of expertise so they would know.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: In the second round I will have questions for the other two groups of witnesses. I am trying to get a sense of this at departmental and ministerial levels. In 2017, we had the independent report on defective blocks and it does not seem to me that a wild lot has changed. In 2019, the national building control office, NBCO, was created but, as Mr. Butler has said, it is a relatively small...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Does the Department know how many building control officers there are? I ask because the last time I asked a parliamentary question seeking the information I was told that the Department does not keep a track of such information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I accept that. Given the significance of the 2017 report, and the fact that we are talking about trauma and the financial cost that Mr. Ó Coigligh outlined, one would expect that the Department would have a particular interest in assessing whether local authorities are properly resourced and have the skilled staff to carry out the very important compliance work that has been outlined....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I accept that. Again, I have questions for the other organisations in the final round of questions. In terms of the Department's view and in light of the testimony albeit about a small number of cases that Mr. Aidan O'Connell gave this committee before, is it the view of the Department that we have a small problem, a significant problem or a widespread problem with non-compliance across...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I will discuss that because that is a report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Does the Department have any visibility on the level of compliance or non-compliance across the State?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Does the Department other than the Donegal report have any visibility? Can Ms Neary give this committee any comfort that in her view compliance outside of Donegal, which is where we had that one report, is high, modest or poor? We have heard the testimony of one engineer who has significant experience in this field and we do not want to overstate or understate his testimony. What...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: How do we know if we do not know how many quarries we have?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Yes. In order to say the level of inspections is high we would need to know the total number of quarries and inspections. I have not heard anybody tell me that we know how many quarries versus inspections.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Please explain in plain English the difference between the 208 and 308 quarries.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Do we know what percentage have been inspected by either the NBCMSO or local authorities in the past 12 and 24 months?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: As I am almost out of time I shall ask one last question but I will return to this matter. Of those 20% of quarries that were inspected would Ms Phelan rate the level of compliance as high, moderate or poor?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Is Ms Phelan saying that the products that are being produced are okay but the administration and paperwork surrounding those are weak?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I will ask questions in the next round of questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I thank the Chair and thank everyone again for giving us so much of their time. It is certainly very instructive for us. I wish to focus back in on inspection and enforcement. As I understand it, in our building control system for the building process, while the responsibiltiy for compliance certificates lies with the developer - and therefore is not unlike what Mr. McGrath has described...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Issues Relating to Quarries and Deleterious Materials: Discussion (6 Dec 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Would it be fair to say that is kind of almost like a paper audit of the systems that the manufacturer has in place?

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