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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: If Mr. Cahillane was recruiting somebody to assist as contract manager, how likely would he be to have "scientist" on the advertisement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: How would it be possible for somebody with a science background to have that familiarity?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It would be possible if the person concerned coincidentally happened to have an interest in science but also happened to be mechanical or electrical engineer. Let us say they were not an engineer, nor a contract manager, and had no experience of project management but were a scientist, would Mr. Cahillane seek them out?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It seems that was the case with the National Maritime College. That is a problem, considering the difficulties that have emerged since. We will be getting into more detail on these matters with Cork Institute of Technology, CIT, but there was a whistleblower's report and a KPMG report into the issue, the latter of which highlighted that pages were missing from the whistleblower's report...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I do not know.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: One of the things the missing page 14 stated was that there was a major problem with a lack of succession management, which was not highlighted by Deloitte or anybody else but was highlighted by Mr. Seamus McCarthy, the Comptroller and Auditor General, as an issue. This person, a scientist with no relevant experience according to the National Development Finance Agency, was taken back on the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Has Mr. Ó Foghlú seen the whistleblower's report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Does Mr. Ó Foghlú have page 14?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I will give it to Mr. Ó Foghlú. KPMG was not giving it but I have it here. I will certainly be happy to give it to him. Incidentally, I know from other engagements here, and we will be going back to them directly, that CIT has a history of lavish parties. Was Mr. Ó Foghlú at the retirement party for this individual?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Through the Chair-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Through the Chair, I realise that as Secretary General of a Department you get to direct a lot of what goes on, but you do not direct what goes on in this room, whether you like it or not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It was through the Chair. If I have questions for you, Mr. Watt, I will let you know. In the meantime, I am talking to the Secretary General of education who, to the best of my knowledge, does not report to you. I am asking Mr. Ó Foghlú, did you happen to be at the retirement party for that individual?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Sorry, it is perfectly relevant, Chairman, and I will tell you why.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I will tell you why it is relevant. There are huge issues with this particular institute. It seems not only to go to building of things, public-private partners, re-employment of people, throwing out lavish amounts of public money, which is what this committee is about. This committee is about taxpayers' money, Mr. Watt, and we are here to question that whether you like it or not. If that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: They are all interrelated. We have established this gentleman did not have the adequate expertise according to the national development management agency. He was re-employed the following week as a consultant and we have also established that the building is falling down. Can you tell me, please, Chairman, why is it not relevant?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I did not name any person. I am only talking about public funds.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I do not know who they are.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I have to say, Chairman-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: What are we doing in here? If we want to find out-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: If I may.

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