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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: We need that clarified. When people get a social house from a local authority, they have it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: The idea that these can come up every four or six years is way out from that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are going to write back to the Irish Council for Social Housing to clarify that remark in respect of the length of tenure.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, and to know how many have three, four, six or ten year leases. We know these bodies came under the RTB a couple of years ago. We understand that. However, we want to know about the housing bodies in their own right and what tenure they offer their tenants.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: It should not have changed them. They do not deal with that at all.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: What we are asking is, in respect of their 29,803 housing units, what tenancy is in place for those tenants? How many have life tenancies? How many have tenancies for maybe four or six years? We need that information.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: All the ICSH can account for is its own members. We are also going to write to the Department and will include all these items of correspondence. We want the Department to respond to the issues in these two letters and the issues we are raising. It is all well and good getting something from a voluntary regulatory office. It is fine getting something from the Irish Council of Social...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: We probably will not be able to do a report on leasing versus ownership because that is a long-term thing and we have not done enough. However, there are lots of things such as the HAP and various other matters that we have covered in our three meetings. When we get these clarifications, we will be able to do a report on the areas we have covered, exactly as the Deputy has said. There are...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is 18 April but they will not be ready by that date.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes; a waste of time.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: The letter indicates that it will be 1 May before the board gets to consider it. We have provisionally pencilled in 16 May.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is on our work programme.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: I can guarantee that we will.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: We saw the Mazars report. The funny thing about that report, relating to substantially the same issue, was that it was completed in December and two weeks later we heard, "Let us do a PwC report". We had the Mazars report on the desk.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is guaranteed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: It will.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am taking the view, as Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts, that we have seen the Mazars report. We are seized of this issue. We are dealing with this issue and we will want that report. That is it. If somebody wants to stop the Committee of Public Accounts examining it-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Exactly. The members of the Joint Committee on Health have been invited to visit the hospital and I know various regional health committees and members of local authorities who are on regional health forums have had tours of the site. I do not know if it will add much to our work.

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