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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: I call Deputy Mairéad Farrell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: I call Deputy Ó Cathasaigh.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: Based on the witnesses' research, are guidance counsellors across secondary schools in Northern Ireland generally aware of entry requirements in the Republic of Ireland? Are they very aware of the kinds of third-level institutions and what is available in the Republic of Ireland compared with what is available in Northern Ireland?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: Is there much collaboration between the third-level institutions in Northern Ireland and secondary education in the Republic of Ireland? How can that and collaboration in the other direction be improved upon?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: Professor Smyth spoke about financial supports. This is an issue for some families in the Republic of Ireland. I am very aware of that even though I believe there are very great opportunities and funding available through different methods, means and avenues to give people in the Republic of Ireland an opportunity to avail of third-level education. I have no doubt that, in the past two or...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: During the Covid pandemic and afterwards, there was a long delay in the leaving certificate results being issued. We are still trying to get the leaving certificate results out. The examinations body is trying to reduce the delays to give students more of an opportunity to see what is available to them, to fight for points, to get accommodation and everything like that. Were there similar...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: To go back to guidance counsellors, the witnesses will know this is a big issue. During the recession in 2010 and 2011, when there were significant cutbacks, guidance counselling was one of the services that was slashed. It has not come back to where it should be. I was listening to a debate on one of our national radio stations last week. Those involved were talking about the importance...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: Yes. Does Deputy Ó Cathasaigh have any further questions before I wrap up?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: I thank the witnesses for coming before us. The discussion has been very informative and beneficial. I thank both witnesses very much for their opening statements and for their replies to the questions that we put to them. Is it agreed that we suspend for a few minutes before our second sessions? Agreed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: On behalf of the committee, I welcome from the Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science, Mr. Ian McKenna, principal officer, and Ms Anita Fitzgerald, assistant principal officer; from the Higher Education Authority, Ms Sheena Duffy, head of international, communications, and equality, diversity and inclusion; and from SOLAS, Mr. Andrew Brownlee, CEO. The...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: Our first member today is Deputy Mairéad Farrell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: I am worried that question is a little bit outside of the scope of what we are-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: I understand, Deputy, but I do not expect the Department to have the full reply-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: If the Department does not have all of the information, perhaps it might come back to the Deputy later with it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: I thank the Deputy and Mr. McKenna. I call Senator Flynn.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: One of my questions, around leaving cert results and the time period, has been answered. Mr. Brownlee mentioned his engagement with the Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland, which is very much welcome. We had a study trip to Scotland last week, when I raised the issue of apprenticeships. Scotland is having very similar challenges in encouraging people to go into apprenticeship...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: I listened to a debate last week on the lack of guidance counsellors in secondary education. There is a huge deficiency in that regard. It is an area that suffered from cutbacks in 2010 during the downturn in the economy. Those counsellors were never put back in place as they should have been. Guidance counsellors need to engage in secondary schools from second and third year. If some...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: The conversation I was listening to last week related to shared services between schools in each county. In the system we are all used to, the guidance counsellor is always based in the school, but that should not be the way. Mr. Brownlee was dead right about trained teachers going on to be guidance counsellors, or whatever the story is. In each county, there should be six or seven...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: I thank the officials for attending. The briefing has been very beneficial for our ongoing work at the committee and the important work on education both north and south of the Border.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: North-South Student Mobility: Discussion (Resumed) (27 Feb 2024)

Paul Kehoe: Last week, when we were in Scotland, we were talking about people from elsewhere in the UK coming to Scotland, because of Brexit and everything else that has caused a lot of problems. Has the Department come across that in doing any work between Northern Ireland and the Republic?

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