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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: The paper to which Ms Harney has referred was circulated at the meeting rather than beforehand.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Was a vote taken? When Ms Harney says it was a unanimous decision, I take it that means nobody objected.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Let us fast-forward then to the KPMG report we have been discussing. Ms Harney is indicating she has not seen the report and the board has not seen it based on legal advice. That legal advice was commissioned, I take it, by the executive.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am asking specifically about the board. Has the board seen the legal advice that indicates it cannot-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Has the board challenged that at all? Has it sought independent legal advice as to whether it is entitled to see this report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Ms Harney has made that point. In respect of the former president's exit package, I take it from Ms Harney's earlier comments she would dispute it was a severance package. Did that go to the board for approval?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: I think Ms Harney said she was personally involved in the negotiations with the former-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: When the proposal for the package came before the board, was it Ms Harney who presented it to the board?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Was it unanimously agreed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Could we get the minutes of that meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Did any member of the board ask whether approval was required from any Department or agency?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Ms Harney has made all those points.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: The only question I am asking is whether any member of the board question any of that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Ms Harney was obviously a high-profile catch, if you like, as chancellor for the university in 2018. She has an esteemed record not only in this House but also elsewhere. She mentioned earlier she also has a role with KPMG. How many entities does Ms Harney sit on the board of or play a role within, in terms of committees?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Committees, companies or entities.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Even with regard to the deliberations of this committee, there seems to be quite an amount of work associated with chancellorship. My understanding is Ms Harney waives any remuneration. Is that still the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: That is laudable.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am conscious that part of the reason for the delay of this meeting was Ms Harney's availability. I understand why that was the case, considering her various roles. Will Ms Harney give a sense of how many hours per week she devotes to work relating to the University of Limerick?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: The reason I ask is because a board needs a strong leader to challenge the executive. Does Ms Harney feel she has the time to be able to do that and provide that leadership, considering the number of issues that have arisen at this meeting alone?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: That is fair enough. How often does the governing body meet?

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