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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Attribution.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Have those countries been called out by other member states?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Why not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: To go back to Deputy Carey's question, was Russia involved in the HSE cyberattack?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is the attribution against a member state? Is the state complicit in the cybersecurity action by someone based in an individual country?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Can that only be done on the basis of a member state being found to be complicit?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is fair to say, however, that the State could take abatement action against another state such as Russia in respect of the HSE. That option is there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes, briefly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Have you another question, Deputy Carey?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Dr. Browne, please respond briefly. Three or four other Members are indicating.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: I now move to Deputy O'Connor. You have roughly five minutes, Deputy. We need to conclude this session by 3.30 p.m.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: What was that last point?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is Dr. Browne aware of any incidents in the Houses of the Oireachtas to date?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: I suspect the old-fashioned leak would not be covered under cybersecurity.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: I was not being facetious. I was just giving a complete view.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: This was done through the laptop.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: They infected the laptop, however.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Dr. Browne is saying that one small PC effectively brought down the HSE's system.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Dr. Browne is happy that would not happen now. I call Deputy Cathal Crowe, who has five minutes. I wanted to ensure he could get in.

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