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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: The answer is that Mr. Breen does not have specific figures. Regarding high-grade horticultural peat, he used the term "around 2,000 tonnes". Is there a percentage figure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: In terms of hobby or other peat, I take it that Mr. Breen cannot give a specific figure for weights.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: The working group report references a number of areas where the independent expert will work with Bord na Móna and other suppliers. What interaction has Bord na Móna had with the independent expert since the report's publication?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: That is interesting. What we have learned is that Bord na Móna has entered into an agreement with what I believe is an Israeli-owned company based primarily in the UK – ICL – and has given it exclusive access to the only peat that we have a figure for, that being the 2,000 tonnes of high-grade horticultural peat, before engaging with the independent expert that the working...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: Will Mr. Breen describe what the process involved? Was it publicly advertised? How were people informed that they could submit expressions of interest?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: Was any of them Irish based?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: How many?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: So, it was ICL and the other two players were Irish. Was it limited to three companies?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: Did any other company contact Bord na Móna to express an interest in the plant?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: I do not mean to Mr. Breen personally but to the company.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: The announcement of this agreement indicated the peat use will be for the domestic market alone. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: What safeguards will Bord na Móna have in place in the contractual arrangements to ensure that peat cannot be exported to subsidiaries of ICL or to other third parties outside of Ireland?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: Is Mr. Breen satisfied it is robust enough in that regard?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: Does Mr. Breen have any concern that given the agreement, as has been reported, will allow ICL to expand its operations and given the lack of availability to others based in the Irish market, Bord na Móna has facilitated the supplanting of Irish-owned businesses by this company, which will have the exclusive rights to the 2,000 tonnes of peat we are aware of?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: Many of those producers currently get their peat from Bord na Móna. Is that not the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: On the agreement and this stock of 2,000 tonnes, how much of that high-grade peat is located in storage and how much is on the bogs?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: It is sitting there and has been harvested as such, with Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, approval.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: Does it have planning permission?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: Does that mean it does or does not have planning permission?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Horticultural Peat Supply and Willow Scheme: Bord na Móna (23 Mar 2022)

Matt Carthy: In respect of the High Court decision and a more recent High Court decision involving a separate company, would Mr. Breen's interpretation of those judgments be the same as mine, such that even after the peat has been harvested, for it then to be collected would amount to a subsequent act of harvesting and would also require planning permission? If not, is it Mr. Breen's view that ICL will...

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