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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: I apologise to the Chairman. I do not think anybody has properly engaged with this Bill. Members of the Houses of the Oireachtas are generally full time. However, this Bill asks that members of local authorities declare their salary levels. A teacher's salary level is usually available. If a member is working in private industry, must his or her salary be declared? If a member is...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: Let us focus on section 7(2)(a) first. If a member of a local authority is working in a private company, does he or she have to declare his or her salary under this provision?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: That is not the case at the moment.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: Deputy Burke is the member who has most recently been in this situation.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: Is the income declared rather than being made publicly available?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: We will come to that next.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: I want to tease that out with the Minister in a few moments. In regard to one's salary from employment, the source of the income must be declared but not the amount.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: Section 7(1)(a) mentions income. That would give the impression that one has to give the level of that income.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: Section 7(2)(b) deals with the source of any income related to dealing in or developing land. The phrase "developing land" is quite vague. If one is a Member of this House or a local authority and one has a farm from which one reclaims land, is that developing land? There is a vagueness of language which can be used to hide from the provisions of the legislation. Where is the definition...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: Perhaps we could come back to that issue on Report Stage to tighten up the definitions and language. If we are going to do this kind of thing, it should be kept tight.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: I suggest that, separate from his engagement in the legislative process, the Minister write to every Deputy and Senator and include a copy of the Bill. I am not dictating but the Minister should be frank in stating this legislation has substantial provisions and requirements and that before Report Stage, all Members should engage on those requirements. Perhaps there is something to be said...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: It would be of benefit to the Bill and those subject to it.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: I have a query on section 7(6) and the clarification in section 7(11). If a Member, representing either his party or a committee of the House, or the Chairman of any committee is sent on a parliamentary trip, does he not have to make a declaration if the sum is over €600? Section 7(11) states:The reference ... to travel, accommodation, refreshment or ancillary facilities ... shall be...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: The new declaration that will have to be made by Members of the Oireachtas, or anybody affected by the Bill, will have to include trips. The Chairman of any committee will undertake two or three trips per year. That will have to be included. Members sent to Brussels representing their parties at meetings will have to make a declaration if the sum is over the specified value.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: Are spouses and children dealt with separately? One would imagine that they would potentially have-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: What about children?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: Does the provision relating to spouses and children apply in this case?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: There is such detail in previous sections that it seems inconsistent for this section not to mention it.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: I agree with the section but why are we exempting judges from other provisions in the Bill while including them under this one?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Standards Bill 2015: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2017)

Dara Calleary: Does the Minister have that section in English?

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