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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: I am aware that the officials were informed of the possible questions on the national children's hospital and the nurses' strike. I do not know whether the Minister wants to add anything to his statement at this stage.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: The Minister may wish to comment later on Deputy Howlin's statement that in the 31st Dáil, when he was the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, he received weekly and monthly reports on sensitive projects that may have overrun.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: There is a vote in the Dáil if anybody wants to attend but I will continue with the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: After his opening statement, I asked the Minister to comment on the remarks made today by Deputy Howlin. He said that he helped to design that Department and that the purpose of it was to be sanctioning authority. On a weekly or monthly basis, depending on how sensitive a project would be in terms of issues arising, the Minister would be informed. The Minister needs to clarify his position...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: Nobody told anybody from August. Is that right? I am trying to pick up on the timeline Deputy Michael McGrath set out. It would seem to me that there was a total collapse in the sharing of information in the context of the significant overrun. There was a problem within the Department of Health, the Minister's Department and this board in the context of informing the Minister.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: I have no doubt about that but I would seriously question that an official from the Minister's Department would not see the political or budgetary consequences of what was going on and the fact that there seemed to be no real engagement on the overrun with the Departments of Public Expenditure and Reform and Health. It raises the question as to how Government managed this system of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: Can I clarify something raised by Senator Conway-Walsh relating to procurement and the ability of Departments and so on to deal with procurement issues and overruns? It appears to me from listening to the exchanges here that the Department of Health was the bad apple in this barrel. It has a history of overruns. It cannot live within its budget year to year. It seems to have contaminated...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: What is the €1.7 billion that the Minister mentioned?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: Are those contingencies specific enough to say it will not go beyond these figures?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: We have PwC because the people from the Department cannot be trusted. That is at the core of this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: Would the Minister acknowledge that it failed him in this? This was a failure of the management not just of the budget but of a plan and tendering process. Nobody seems to have been held accountable about who did not report to a person or Department. I am reflecting what was said at the meeting here. It arose in June, the Minister introduced the budget in October and people began to learn...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: Who will pay PwC and how much will it be paid?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: Will there be an extra sum or will it be out of its budget?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: Is that €450,000?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: Is there a chance that that will overrun?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: Seriously, though-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: I am not smirking at the Minister. Others might not think it is a serious question but it is for me.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: How much is it per day? Is that the basis of it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: So there is not a figure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach (5 Feb 2019)

John McGuinness: A figure has not been agreed on that contract yet.

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