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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Ms Harney said that no statement of claim has been lodged. It is unclear to me whether they are personal injuries or defamation proceedings or simply a notice in the central office. I appreciate that Professor Mey does not know the nature of the proceedings. However, they are there since March.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Are they injunctive reliefs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: They are injunctive reliefs. That was lodged in March. At some point between 21 December and March, the university received a threat of legal proceedings. That is what Professor Mey said stopped them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I am interested in the relationship between the executive and the governing authority. It is not satisfactory, clearly, that the governing authority has not been able to have sight of the report that has been commissioned. I am interested as to how quickly after 21 December 2021 that should have been brought to the attention of the authorities and they should have had sight of that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: What made Professor May think that it should not be circulated beyond four people to protect the university? Why would it not be circulated with at least the chair of the governing authority?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I can understand why Professor Mey would not share it with me as an individual. However, I struggle to understand why it would not be shared with the chair of her own governing authority. On 21 December, did she receive contemporaneous legal advice to suggest that it not be shared beyond the four people?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: From whom? From the university's own legal advisers?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I understand that Professor Mey received both the report from KPMG and simultaneous legal advice from, presumably, a different body that was not KPMG.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Had the legal advisers seen the KPMG report? How did the legal advisers know to tell Professor Mey not to share it with the governing authority?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Had the threat of legal action preceded the receipt of the report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I apologise, as I misunderstood Professor Mey.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: When was the threat of legal action received?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: It was in the months or weeks prior to the KPMG report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: The threat of legal action came and Professor Mey notified the university's lawyers.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Professor Mey received the report and decided to contain it to the four people she mentioned and not share it with the governing authority.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: When Professor Mey prepares documents for the governing authority, how far in advance, for example, does it receive it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I am terribly sorry to interrupt. Just so that I understand, what is the nature of the legal relationship between the governing authority and the university? I do not understand why, for example, there is such a separation that the chair of the governing authority cannot be considered a close enough partner to have been able to have sight of that report in a confidential way. Where is the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Ms Harney said she has not been able to receive it and it comes up at every meeting and they look for it. I am sorry to cut across Professor May, but time is just so tight. If the governing authority is the overseeing body, it has budgetary oversight and Professor Mey is working with it in an approach of partnership, why can she not share that report, at least with the chair of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I appreciate it was not spread widely, but not with the chair of the governing authority?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Okay. My time is up.

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