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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: I welcome the witnesses and thank them for being here. I would like to explore the role and modus operandiof the governing body. In response to the previous questions, Ms Harney said "we trusted what was put before us". This committee could probably use that as a good title for most of the issues we deal with, where boards are simply not capable of or not willing to face up to the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: I take it the president made that offer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: They felt they had the authority to make an offer of €6.5 million on a property without informing the board beforehand.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Was Ms Harney, as chancellor, aware the offer had been made?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Ms Harney has said she will publish the minutes of the board meeting at which the decision was made. Was that a long meeting? Will Ms Harney give us a sense of the deliberations in which the board was engaged? I presume the president made the presentation and outlined the rationale for the purchase of this site. How long did the meeting take after that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: How much notice of the meeting were board members given? Were they given written notice?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Okay. Did the notice of the meeting indicate this was an item on the agenda?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: The paper to which Ms Harney has referred was circulated at the meeting rather than beforehand.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Was a vote taken? When Ms Harney says it was a unanimous decision, I take it that means nobody objected.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Let us fast-forward then to the KPMG report we have been discussing. Ms Harney is indicating she has not seen the report and the board has not seen it based on legal advice. That legal advice was commissioned, I take it, by the executive.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am asking specifically about the board. Has the board seen the legal advice that indicates it cannot-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Has the board challenged that at all? Has it sought independent legal advice as to whether it is entitled to see this report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Ms Harney has made that point. In respect of the former president's exit package, I take it from Ms Harney's earlier comments she would dispute it was a severance package. Did that go to the board for approval?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: I think Ms Harney said she was personally involved in the negotiations with the former-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: When the proposal for the package came before the board, was it Ms Harney who presented it to the board?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Was it unanimously agreed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Could we get the minutes of that meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Did any member of the board ask whether approval was required from any Department or agency?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: Ms Harney has made all those points.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Matt Carthy: The only question I am asking is whether any member of the board question any of that.

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