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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Does the committee feel we should continue and allow further clarifications after the next two questioners? If so, that is fine. Could we have a show of hands? Should we continue with further clarifications after the next two questioners? Two members are in favour. The question is lost.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I do not think that is a question, in fairness.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I am sorry to interrupt, but once the Deputy puts his remaining questions, his time will have elapsed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I now call Senator Thomas Byrne.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: The next contributor is Senator Thomas Byrne, followed by Deputies Clare Daly, Luke 'Ming' Flanagan and Thomas Pringle. The latter has indicated that he will be back shortly. This is an important meeting and I thank everyone for their co-operation. I estimate that we can conclude by approximately 8 p.m. I will try to give everybody an opportunity to speak. Deputy Timmins is scheduled to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Yes, when he returns. I am trying to be fair. Deputies and Senators have to make speeches and cast their votes. I am trying to be fair and reasonable. I now call Senator Thomas Byrne.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I am sorry, Senator Byrne, but we need questions rather than commentary.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: On another point of clarification, why did the commission not look for another Irish security firm when the previous one had closed down? Why did it look for an international expert firm?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I thank-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I am sorry but I am disallowing the question. A point of clarification can be made on a question that was not answered clearly but that is a new question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I am not allowing it. I call Deputy Creighton.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: If Deputy Creighton is happy we will get a response and then she can ask another question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Deputy Creighton will have time for a couple of questions and then we will conclude.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Interference will have an impact on the public's ability to hear the Deputy's comments. I am trying to be helpful.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I will allow an answer before allowing the Deputy back in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I should indicate that GSOC is not compelled to come before us and the delegation has come of its own volition. I asked on Monday that a delegation would come as early as possible and the earliest opportunity - our Wednesday meeting at 4 p.m. - was used. The witnesses may respond to questions as they wish, as it is their right to respond or not to a question. Up to now there has been a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: The Deputy cannot make assertions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Which is true.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: The Deputy's time will have elapsed by the time the response has been given. However, he may ask another question in the time he has left.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Protocol Issues: Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (12 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Does Mr. FitzGerald think it is good that the policing authority and the intelligence services are combined under one umbrella, a situation that appears to be unique to Ireland? Is that good or poor practice?

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