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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: No, but it is the case if a system is running on a programme that is not licensed and the numbers have been reduced-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: -----and corrective or temporary action has been taken. HSE representatives said last week that it was on the risk register. I do not know what being on the risk register means because if there is a risk, one has to mitigate it or say how it will be mitigated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I would have thought the audit should have shown that up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I want to come back to the question I asked about this fund. I am looking at an email from an assistant principal officer in the Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications who is responsible for gas networks. It is dated 1 April 2022. It is addressed to the competent authority for gas networks. The Department was notified about this programme on 8 March. The email was sent...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Will Mr. Griffin include in that whether legislation is required?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: We are hearing from gas experts that it is not. We have to be sure whether we are talking about apples and oranges.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Will Mr. Griffin let us know in his response why something is notified on 8 March and does not go to the competent authority until 1 April, given such a short turnaround time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: We look forward to Mr. Griffin's reply. I have to say I still feel that this should have been on the Department's radar, given it has responded to news articles and there is a source from the Department. I will ask Mr. Griffin about the deferred surrender. Obviously if the Department spends something, it does not get value for money, but not spending money that has been allocated to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Has Mr. Griffin discovered blockages that are an impediment to spending money on things such as retrofitting?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I completely accept that Covid has been a serious disrupter but there is an issue with delivery. We get many targets and then those targets are not met. It has almost become routine at this stage. Is there a paucity of ambition? Is there an impediment to the application process? What are the impediments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: How much of the money the Department failed to utilise falls within that? How much of the €266 million falls within that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Can Mr. Griffin remind us - maybe I have missed it - of the number of premises that were connected rather than passed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Does that include the estimated 7,000 that are farms?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I took it that there were 7,000 farms connected.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Just over 20,000 have been connected. Somebody asked Mr. Griffin if work has been done to understand why people are not connecting. If I remember rightly, the Analysys Mason indicated there was an issue in relation to transparency to do with the metropolitan area networks, MANs, the first broadband initiative. That report was on the Minister's desk for a year. When it was published, my...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The main thing I am interested in is whether it is value for money for people who are on marginal incomes and who might want broadband. Will they be able to afford it? We understand that they will be charged the same to bring it to a certain point. If, however, it is only outside their door, for example, and there is a minimum charge of approximately €100 to connect, the reason they...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: That would be the critical issue in terms of people connecting. Has the Department retrospectively applied any performance credit sanctions to NBI since the publication of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Does Mr. Mulligan foresee changes as a consequence?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Chapter 9: Implementation of the National Broadband Plan
(13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I thank Mr. Mulligan.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I wish to comment on the accounts of the SFPA. It would be worthwhile if we wrote to the Department on this matter. It is the kind of situation that could result in fines if not addressed. Things tend to happen at the 11th hour, but there is a bit of time to do something about it now. I assume that this also affects conservation matters. Could we write to the Department? It might set...

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