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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Professor Chris Fitzpatrick, in connection with the national children's hospital. He is a former master of the Coombe and wants to address the committee. We will suspend to allow the witnesses to take their seats.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: This morning we will have two sessions. The first is the 2017 Appropriation Accounts, Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office. The second is Vote 8 - Comptroller and Auditor General. We want to complete both sessions before the voting block at approximately 1 p.m. Members and witnesses will be pleased to hear that we are allocating one hour and 15 minutes to this session. The second session...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Thank you, Mr. McCarthy. I ask Mr. Dalton to make his opening statement. I note the CSO has submitted an appendix, which we will note and publish. It is not necessary to read the detail of that document into the public record as it is an appendix.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. Dalton for that. The first speaker is Deputy Aylward, who has a maximum of 20 minutes. Each other speaker will have ten minutes. We will conclude this session in an hour's time because there is another session to be dealt with before lunch. I ask members to be as tight as possible in their contributions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Next are Deputies Connolly and Murphy. These are ten-minute slots.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: The CSO's annual report from 2017 contains a very big appendix with all the timelines of the different reports. One part refers to "System Health Accounts". If the witnesses do not have the answer now, they can send it on to the committee. There is a timescale of a year and a half, or 78 weeks. What are those statistics and why does it take a year and a half to get them? Surely the CSO...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: In the CSO report published last May, the figures were for 2014. We are a long way back on-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask for an up to date note on when the 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 figures-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have a non-financial question on county income and GDP. I regularly see on a regional basis and sometimes on a county basis, average income per household. It outlines how well off a county is and how far below Dublin we all are in annual income. They always seem to be quite a few years old when we get them. Can important statistics like that not be more up to- date? I think they relate...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask Ms Banim to send us a note on the last set of-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: ----- county and regional income figures.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask for it to show where we are in the more recent estimates even if they are not finalised. Many counties would like to know where they stand on that figure. In his opening statement Mr. Dalton mentioned telephone interviews. Are they calls to landlines or mobile phones? If they are calls to mobile phones, the CSO could be talking to somebody on holidays in the Canaries. How does it...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Therefore it starts with a physical meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Therefore the CSO knows whom it is interviewing and where they are located.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is my question. I ask for a detailed note in respect of the State balance sheet, which is often referred to here. I want to know where the universities and institutes of technologies are on the State balance sheet. Time is tight now. We would prefer a proper note on that. The issue of the housing agencies came up here recently. We got some reports, some of the big ones, around...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: If we are out of time, I ask for the CSO to send us a note.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: It did not help in how the CSO was seen. I have noted that the CSO frequently uses the word "independent". It looked like a pawn of the Government in that. It was making a case that did not make sense to people because most of Irish Water's income was coming from public sources. The bid did not succeed. I know the Department of Finance was probably very supportive of it. Before this...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. Dalton saying EUROSTAT got it wrong?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms Banim is essentially saying the CSO based its element of the process on the business case that came from the line Department. It was making a business case that it wanted it to succeed. It looks like the CSO took what it was saying as-----

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