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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: Is the Minister saying he does not understand why those two people resigned?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: Does the Minister thinks she was looking for a structure such as the one the Department is proposing now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: I am asking the Minister what his understanding of the situation is.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: It seems to indicate that he does not have an understanding of why they resigned.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: Professor Keane has been through this before with the cancer programme and is highly respected. He said he would not hang around if there was not political support for Sláintecare. What is the Minister's understanding of why he decided to resign?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: Does the Minister think that was a justified assessment of the Department and the HSE - the health system?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: Does the Minister think that view of the resistance to change, as expressed by Professor Keane, was justified?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: I am just asking if the Minister thought it was justified. He may answer "Yes" or "No".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: I do not want the Minister repeating what he said already. Does he think it was justified or not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: I am under pressure for time. He may answer "Yes" or "No".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: Go on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: I did not ask the Minister that question. Okay, I would like to move on. The big recommendation of the Committee on the Future of Healthcare was that the Sláintecare office would not be located within the Department of Health. Lessons were learned from the experience with the cancer strategy. The big fear was that there would be departmental capture of the Sláintecare plan....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: I would prefer if he just answered the questions, please. I asked three questions there and I would like the Minister to answer those.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: What is the exact structure for implementing Sláintecare?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: Sláintecare is a reform programme. It appears that the organisations that need to be reformed are the HSE and the Department of Health to facilitate Sláintecare. The Minister is appointing the two senior people from those two organisations and embedding it in the Department. What is that about? It sounds like it is a continuation of this concern about the attempt to suffocate...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: Where is the open governance of that? Where is the oversight?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: Who will drive reform?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: Okay, but we have not had reform from either of those two officials.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: No, I did not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Implementation of Sláintecare: Discussion (6 Oct 2021)

Róisín Shortall: What I am saying is-----

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