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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: I welcome our witnesses, who I will introduce in a moment. If members or witnesses have mobile phones they should turn them off or switch them to flight mode so as not to interfere with the signal. Today's meeting is an engagement with Garda Commissioner Harris about policing matters. This follows on from a recent meeting we held with various representative organisations and other...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: I thank the Commissioner and his team. I will start with a couple of questions and then I will go around the table in the order in which members have indicated. I think the Commissioner is aware of the witnesses who were in a few weeks ago and he was briefed on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: One of those witnesses was Mr. Adrian Cummins, chief executive of the Restaurants Association of Ireland, RAI. I will drill down into some of the things that he said. My questions are really about city centre policing and some of the issues that have emerged. He said that in a survey by the Restaurants Association of Ireland 100% of the respondents said Dublin is less safe today than it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: I thank Ms Willis. I want to drill into several issues. The Commissioner said that crime levels are not particularly above those of 2019 and essentially are on a par with them. It has been suggested that one of the reasons for this is that people have stopped reporting crime as frequently. Crime may be up but reported crime may be static. I would welcome the views of the witnesses on...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: Next is Senator Gallagher. The running order then will be Senator Ward and Deputy Daly, who will be returning.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: I will allow our witnesses to answer the Deputy's points. The Leas-Chathaoirleach had indicated that we would group the next couple of questions because we are under time pressure. The Minister is due before the committee shortly. I will allow Deputy Daly's questions to be answered. I will then take Deputies Pringle and Costello together. A couple of other members also want to come in....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: We will see how it goes. I am not saying the Deputy will get less than six minutes. We will see how it goes. As we all know at committee meetings, it is often the case that the opening questions can cover areas that subsequent questions would have covered.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: It can happen.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: I hear the Deputy's point. We will take a two-minute response to Deputy Daly's question before we move to the next questioner.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: I did not realise Senator Ward had not come in yet. He is up next and has six minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: I appreciate the Senator's brevity. We will move on to Deputy Pringle, who has six minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: If the Commissioner or any of his team are sending information in response to members' questions, they should do so through the clerk to the committee in order that it can be circulated to all members. The witnesses should feel free to do that in response to any questions they are asked. It is always useful to get supplementary information. Next up we have Deputy Costello, followed by...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: That concludes the members' questions, but I have two guest Members of the Oireachtas who are not members of this committee. They are welcome and they are entitled to be here. We are pressed for time so I will allow two minutes each for Deputy McGuinness and Senator Keogan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: I thank the Deputy. I call Senator Keogan and will take a group response, and then we will close this session.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: We are tight for time but also the prisons do not come under the Commissioner's remit.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: We have had other sessions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: We might just wrap up there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: I thank the Senator and Deputy McGuinness. I will take the block questions as a group.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Policing Matters: Discussion (Resumed) (7 Nov 2023)

James Lawless: The Commissioner might come back in writing on that. Is that okay? The Commissioner will follow up some questions today. If he could send them through the clerk, they will be circulated to all members so everybody gets a copy. They will certainly be of interest to our members so it would be appreciated if the Commissioner could do those follow ups. That concludes this part of the...

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