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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: What percentage of the figure of €54 billion will be disbursed to the 26 local authorities?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: Who is auditing it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: To whom is it accountable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: In light of the fact that there are many different situations of debt by local authorities at the moment, which has prevented them from taking advantage of the upturn, as many are heavily indebted at the moment. They are not in a position to engage in different developments. Is it not a huge difficulty when it comes to essential repair grants or housing development grants? Is it not a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: I compliment the work the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform is doing, but in regard to the ability of local authorities to borrow, who is the assigned, statutorily responsible body that takes responsibility for the loan if in default?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: Mr. Watt referred to the reduction of the 180 State bodies. He might explain the overall effectiveness of that programme.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: I have a question on the single licensing portal. That was for the issuing of statutory licences to the retail trade. Mr. Watt might give an update on it. That was the situation where 25 licences could be applied for on the single portal, which would cut down on administrative costs for anybody in the retail trade. This was a far-reaching policy. How far has it advanced?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: I was reading the note about directives 06/12 and 10/14. This might defuse some of the issues about school supply. A directive was given that where the accounting officer could be deemed the principal of a school, and they felt they were getting value for money and equality of standard, if they signed a statutory declaration, as the accounting officer for the school, they could deal with...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: Once products are subject to centralised contracts, purchasers in schools are often afraid to purchase from any other supplier in fear of losing central funding. Is there a real risk if they sign up to 16/13? One is dealing with competent people who are in a job for 20 years and know exactly the quality of the product they are getting. If they give a statutory declaration that they are in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: In another role I have dealt with a supplying a school and I know it is very important. Mr. Quinn was very helpful about that issue with regard to clarification. While I respect small businesses, it is very hard to keep everybody happy when one is dealing with €9 billion of procurement contracts, no matter how one does it. There is an issue of supply and demand and the economy of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: I would like to get clarification that this clarification could be sent by circular from the Department of Education and Skills to schools, giving them a clear undertaking that they could adhere to 6.13 without any repercussions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts
Vote 11 - Office of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances
Vote 18 - Shared Services
Special Report No. 87 - Effectiveness of Audit Committees in State Bodies
Issues with Public Procurement
(5 Mar 2015)

John Perry: That would be very much appreciated. I thank Mr. Watts.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Feb 2015)

John Perry: Regarding the Small Firms Association and the Irish Schools Arts Supply Federation, is that dealing with the issue of procurement and supply?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Feb 2015)

John Perry: Would it be advisable to have somebody from the Office of Government Procurement in attendance?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Feb 2015)

John Perry: What outturn do you hope to achieve? I see that the committee dealt with it previously with the procurement office.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Feb 2015)

John Perry: Do you anticipate a resolution in that area? It is a very difficult area because there are so many different school suppliers for the national procurement office. Is that what you are hoping?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John Perry: From the point of view of the major difficulties with financial management, it is amazing that a multi-annual budgeting system is not in place. Am I correct in stating what is involved in this instance relates to the disbursement of funds on behalf of various Departments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John Perry: Is it fair to say the OPW's job in this regard depends to quite a degree on the co-operation of the Accounting Officers in these Departments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John Perry: The OPW has a massive footprint across the State in terms of the work it carries out on national monuments, buildings, etc. Would it be normal procedure for Ms McGrath and her staff to meet on occasion with the Accounting Officers as a group?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General Appropriation Accounts 2013
Vote 13 - OPW
Chapter 4 - Accounting for OPW Agency Services
(26 Feb 2015)

John Perry: Obviously, the OPW takes responsibility for overruns or deficits. Is it not the case, therefore, that it is very much dependent on the level of co-operation provided by the Accounting Officers in the Departments?

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