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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Mr. Rafferty is talking about speedy implementation and all the rest. Why does he think the BPFI brought the proposal to the Department in July? Does he think it dreamed it up one day sitting across the road? Is it not the case homeowners were telling them they had problems with upfront costs? They were also telling the Department. In July of last year, the BPFI had developed a proposal...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Did they dispute that at the April meeting?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Let us be clear: they disputed that at the April meeting and when Mr. Rafferty said this was well received, those are not the full facts. The homeowners' representatives are quite annoyed at this process. Is that not a fact? They are disputing what Mr. Rafferty is saying on the record of this committee, which is that they said it was only for professional fees. It is important because...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: When did Mr. Rafferty put them out?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Mr. Rafferty did not put them out in January. Did you put them out in February or even March? The homeowners were looking for those minutes for quite a while, were they not? They came to me and we asked for those minutes. Usually minutes are agreed after a meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: When were they released?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Was it February or March?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Is it possible that it was April?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Let me say this here-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Okay, so the proposal was not well received by the homeowners. Is that a fair reflection?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Okay. In relation to the minutes, let me make it clear these are people who have defective blocks themselves. There are voluntary people travelling up and down to Dublin and doing online meetings. Did they ask for the minutes after the meeting when reflections were clear in their mind?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: These are minutes of a meeting. It is not going to take half a day to type them up. It is better to type them up after the event than two months later, which happened in these circumstances. Then you are into a situation where you are disputing the recollection of people who attended the meeting - laypeople, people who are volunteering and people trying to give an input how people feel...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: What is the proposal then? The Minister has heard this. I have raised it with him numerous times. If he were to turn around to Mr. Rafferty and say, "Mr. Rafferty, please develop a scheme that would help with upfront payments", Mr. Rafferty would respond. He is here as the face of the Department, so I am not personally making the claims against him, but I have to represent my constituents...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: Under the proposal the Department will bring forward in a couple of weeks' time, there will be no upfront working capital for homeowners. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: To clarify, professional fees are not working capital. We can all agree on that. Therefore, there will be no upfront working capital for homeowners under the amendments the Department is bringing forward. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: I know the scheme does not allow-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: And under the amendment the Department is bringing forward, there will still be none. Is that what Mr. Rafferty is saying?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Pearse Doherty: I understand that, but will there be any advance working capital for homeowners under the amendments the Department is bringing forward to the scheme?

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