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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Allow the witness to answer the question, please. I think it will be beneficial to the Deputy, the committee and everyone.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay, that would be appreciated, if Mr. Gloster could help the Deputy with that. I call Deputy Colm Burke.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Could I intervene for a second? There are a number of issues. Deputy Burke can continue with the question, but there is one which I am intimately aware of, and have been dealing with HSE management on. However, there are factors, and I will outline them when Deputy Burke is finished.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Absolutely. It is a legitimate question.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I will let Deputy Murphy in during the next round. Abbeyleix is the one Deputy Burke is talking about, the old nursing unit there. That was pencilled in to be closed this time 12 years ago, but that was revisited and kept open, and rightly so, after a local campaign. It is recognised by the HSE that it was the right thing to do. It is a brilliant site and a brilliant location. The issue...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: There should be a single management structure.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: The current situation is a recipe for chaos. There must be one manager and one management structure. Abbeyleix is a small unit with 22 beds and a day care centre attached. It needs a single management structure. In addition, the step-down service for taking patients from acute care must be opened. Will Mr. Gloster give me a commitment on those points?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Part of the problem is that only seven out of 22 beds were being used.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is the problem and it is why we need the 22 beds to be open. The good news story is that there are people who have really benefited from being in Abbeyleix. I gave one example. It is only in recent weeks that I got word from that woman about her mother.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is the good news story about Abbeyleix. Ten out of ten to the staff and the new manager. Deputy Verona Murphy wants to come back in with a brief question, for which she has three minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I have a quick question regarding the number of people leaving hospital emergency departments. We assume that most of them were in need of medical care, although people will leave for different reasons, particularly at weekends, when they go in and out, and staff are being hassled, threatened and everything else. People may have to leave for other reasons. Is it correct that, last year, the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes, before treatment.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Does the HSE have a figure for any part of this year, namely, for the first quarter or for January and February?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: A figure of 14,500 is being reported. I ask the HSE to clarify the position.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: On hospital capacity, what is the ratio of beds to population at present?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: How does that compare on an EU level?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: There are 200 extra beds coming in this year.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: There are active plans for 1,500 beds.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is that at an early stage?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: That concludes the questions from committee members. I thank the witnesses from the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform, the National Treatment Purchase Fund, the Department of Health and the HSE. Many areas were covered in the work preparing for this meeting. I also thank the Comptroller and Auditor General and his office staff for attending and...

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