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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Is it anywhere near it?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Give us a rough estimate.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I am sure that it is the case.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Hold on a second now. Mr. Gunning has said it is not but he does not want to tell me what it is. Why?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: It is not hypothetical because it can be fairly well established. Can it not, Mr. Gunning?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Gunning has just said it did not equate to BAM's claim so he must have an idea. Can he give me the figure?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: This could take two hours.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Please give us one of them in the two minutes remaining.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: This is where we were at when the Vice Chair made her opening statement about witnesses not coming in and co-operating with this committee, which is tasked with ensuring value for money for the Exchequer. I have asked Mr. Gunning a very simple question. Nobody is going to hold him to it. We have ascertained what the value is - 81% - and I ask him to tell us what his estimation is. Nobody...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Can he share that figure with the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Why?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Why is he not in a position?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Gunning is here to answer these questions.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Gunning is not interested in the public purse and is looking after BAM.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: No, it is not what Mr. Gunning said but that is how it can be interpreted.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I think that is how it can be interpreted. I asked a simple straightforward question. I asked for an estimated figure and whether the claim Mr. Gunning was trying to establish equates to what BAM is claiming from the board.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: It is not so much motivation. However, if Mr. Gunning is aware and has established a figure, even if it is an estimate, he should share it with the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Gunning is not prepared to do so.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Gunning said in his opening statement he would do his best to take the Vice Chair's comments on board. We now know how far that is going to extend.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2020 (16 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Gunning, there is no point. My two minutes are up but I have one quick question. I know I can come back in later.

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