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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Did Mr. Gloster say the HSE has 6,000 home care workers directly employed-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is that the reason, the shortage of staff, both private and directly employed, that the HSE had to limit that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is that done by the public health nurse?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I want to go through with Mr. Gloster the finances, planning and all of that. From the figures he has given, it is very cost effective and competitive to have home care workers. From talking to regional managers, I know there is a challenge with recruitment. They tell us there is a problem with recruitment. There was a round of recruitment that passed me by and that I never heard about....

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have an ageing population. We all know the demographics. Could we look at having a national campaign to try to increase the numbers? I am told by some people in the HSE that it is the intention to try to increase the percentage of HSE carers directly employed. There are obvious reasons in terms of management and all of that and financially as well. The HSE would be doing okay with it....

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Are there plans in place to increase that number? I see Ms Hoey from HR is looking at me. Are there plans in place to do that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will that be actively pursued? One point I would make to Mr. Gloster is that we are not aware of everything. My attention has not been drawn to any campaign to try to employ people as home help or home care workers. I am not saying that has not happened. There have been recruitment campaigns, but I think the HSE needs to up the profile of it. Home care needs to be held up to workers as a...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Does Ms Hoey want to comment briefly on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Does the HSE have a target of 50:50 or does it want to tilt the balance the other way in terms of 60:40 in favour of the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: It will be as hard as the question I am asking.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: As the head of HR, does Ms Hoey have a target to work towards?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Ms Hoey. I want to go back to ventilators for a moment. There were 55 ventilators in the private hospitals, but they did not seem to figure. Mr. Mulvany might want to answer this question because, in terms of continuity, he was there at the time. Why did they not seem to figure in the calculations?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am asking about the 55 ventilators.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay, but the number I got was 55.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: But that was not counted in the assessment of what the HSE had that could be used.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: It was relevant at the time in that the fact we had 48, 50 or whatever extra ventilators in the State would have been a factor in terms of the calculation of what we needed. We needed 326 extra ventilators. That is what the established capacity was.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: What I am saying is that those could have been requisitioned in a national emergency. Surely if we were able to take over the hospitals, the public system could have used their ventilators. Does Mr. Tierney want to add anything?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: They were not included in the figures.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: My point is that it is significant that they were there in terms of filling in for an emergency situation.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Financial Statements 2021: HSE
Special Report No. 114 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Emergency Procurement of Ventilators by the HSE
Vote 38 - Health
(11 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I want to ask briefly about personal protective equipment, PPE, generally. There is €485 million of unsuitable or obsolete equipment in storage. It includes hand sanitisers, gowns and protective suits that, along with the ventilators, we will not get a benefit from. It is a high figure. I know the context. I always acknowledge the work that was done during the pandemic. On a...

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