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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: On the capacity, the officials say they are dealing with local authorities. I will take two local authorities. Kerry has been in the news recently and there are a lot of good things happening there. If we look at Kerry and Meath, there are twice as many staff in Kerry as in Meath and there are 100,000 more people in Meath. There are historical reasons the staffing ratios are like that and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Is money being provided to the local authorities to employ specific staff in addition to those who are there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The officials may not be able to give this now. The functions in the Department are very different than they were straight after the general election. There has been much more activity in childcare, for example, for which I am thankful. The Department has had a very busy time with the mother and baby homes and then there has been the transfer of the international protection aspect from the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Will Mr. McCarthy give us a note on what happened-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: -----from the point where the programme for Government was agreed, the functions and how they have been scaled up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: We need to get an overview of this. I can completely understand that Mr. McCarthy will not say there is not complete - that this is not an all-of-Government approach. It certainly does not look like an all-of-Government approach given the scale of what is being put on the shoulders of this Department. We have to satisfy ourselves by looking at the evidence of the staffing numbers. Will...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: -----and the number expected to be recruited, so we can satisfy ourselves on that score?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The Ukraine war did not start until February. October of last year was very different. It may well have been that there were more to come in to work on international protection, for example, but we do not know that and it is what we have to see.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: How many staff does Mr. McCarthy reckon he needs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The Department sounds overloaded.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The Department has to be overloaded.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Some 93% of providers signed up to the core funding model; 7% did not. Are they still being paid or have they dropped out? My second question is about the county childcare committees, CCCs. To whom do they respond? Do they respond to the Department or to the local authorities? Are they bringing to the Department issues with regard to gaps in the service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: If providers do not sign up, they are paid differently.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Did we lose 7% from the system then?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Is it coming through them that there are issues in respect of the smaller providers?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: If providers are at risk of not being able to continue, they should contact their county childcare providers. That is how they access the sustainability fund.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: May I ask Mr. Gloster about Benefacts? Now that the service is no longer available, where are the gaps in respect of the data that the Department formerly used and that are now not available?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Does Tusla have to employ additional people in respect of internal audit, for example?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Is there a cost to the Department by virtue of the loss of the service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Catherine Murphy: What prompted that? Was it the loss of this service or was it going to happen anyway?

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