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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: Is this going up on the screen as on previous occasions?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I mean as the Chairman is going through the correspondence.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: No. I was just wondering about the screen in front of us. It is easier to see it on the screen in front of us.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: No bother.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I originally raised this issue. It is bizarre. We have got University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology, CIT, competing against one another and costing the taxpayer money. I understand the point being made by the Secretary General but can we also ask the Department of Education and Skills to send us a copy of the circular it will issue, according to this letter, as soon as possible?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: Can we write to the Department of Education and Skills asking for a copy of it?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: The guidelines that will be issued.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am very happy to publish it. I have had an amount of correspondence with the Department of Health on this matter. I am not satisfied with the responses I have received. I received further information on this issue at the health committee yesterday. The jigsaw is coming together gradually but I am happy to publish the letter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I will; the Chairman need not worry.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I will not take up too much time because this is going to be a long day but this is garbage. The HSE has for decades been providing advanced loans to supplement the organisations because they are not being funded appropriately. This is a play on language.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: These organisations simply would not be able to operate without these loans. They provide vital services for many people in vulnerable situations. This is a play on language. Everyone in the HSE working in this area knows what is going on. All of the section 38 organisations relying on these loans, and there are many, know they could not operate without them. This is not correct and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I say this with some knowledge. We had the section 38 organisations before the health committee, so much of this information came from a different committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is possible to see the trajectory.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I could not agree more. I have been harping on about this for years. There are two critical issues. First, an employment order is needed to bring up the level of wages because there are not enough employees in the area and people will not work in it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: For all of them.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I know, but an order is needed for all the agency workers, all the other workers. Second, we need to just cop ourselves on. The more people we can get home help to the more money will be saved in the health service, so it should be demand-led. That is what we discussed in the health committee but, alas, the Department listens sometimes and does not at other times.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: We will send the Chairman all of our passport applications from now on.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: We could take a rain check and tackle the outstanding issues later.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: Is the Irish National Accreditation Board, INAB, audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: They come under NSAI but they are a separate entity. INAB reports to the Department of Business, Enterprise and Innovation.

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