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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: To go back to the contracts committee, who is the chair and secretary of it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: Who is the secretary?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: Can Mr. O'Brien name the secretary?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: I just want to know the detail. I am just asking. It is an official in the OGP. Did the chairman, Mr. O'Brien, and this official in the OGP report to the person over the OGP? Who is over the OGP?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: I am sorry for naming him, but I was not the first one to do so.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: Mr. Quinn is over the Office of Government Procurement. Mr. O'Brien chairs a committee for the contracts under the OGP. The secretary of the committee is an official from the OGP. Is that correct? Was Mr. Watt aware the derogation was being sought from the Government's contracts committee on behalf of the hospital?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: Might there have been a conflict of interest between the board of the national children's hospital and, in particular, the head of the OGP? The board was asking for a derogation from the contracts committee chaired by Mr. O'Brien, which includes an official from the OGP. Is that not a conflict of interest in that one player is on the board of the children's hospital while the others are on...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: One has the children's hospital board-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: -----a member of which is the chief procurement officer. That board made an application for a derogation to the committee chaired by Mr. O'Brien and under the OGP, which is in turn under the remit of Mr. Quinn. The secretary of the committee is a member of staff of the OGP. That is a conflict of interest. Can Mr. O'Brien outline the other members? Are they all from within the OGP or are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: To address my point-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: There is no tension or dynamic there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: They are all in-house.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: No.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: The people from the fast-track committee and the OGP are all in-house officials.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: The head of those officials - from the OGP - is represented on the board of the national children's hospital.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: Is that not correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: Is it not absolutely correct-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: -----that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: National Children's Hospital: Discussion with Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (7 Mar 2019)

John McGuinness: I will move on from there.

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