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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I will rephrase the question. If the Minister had asked Mr. Doyle's opinion in appointing somebody to public office who had a damning Standards in Public Office Commission, SIPO, report to their name, would he have agreed with the appointment as the Secretary General and as someone who said he holds standards in public office in high esteem?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: A "Yes" or "No" will do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I will read the wording for Mr. Doyle again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I asked a very straightforward question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: It is only a "Yes" or "No" answer. Would Mr. Doyle have advised the Minister?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I am trying to be fair to him. It is a "Yes" or "No" answer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Which means we have no regard for SIPO.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: What does it mean?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I will come back in, Chairman. We will have to help; he is not answering the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Hypothetically-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: He is waffling.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Let me put it back for you. Hypothetically-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: I am only asking one question. I will clarify it. Hypothetically, if a chief executive was being offered a role by a Minister and been investigated by SIPO, the report of which used the words "disproportionate and inappropriate and lacking in courtesy and respect, thereby bringing disrepute upon his position and the Council" and stated that the content, tone, style and language of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: For God's sake; this is ridiculous. It is an absolute waste of time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Doyle holds standards in-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: It is the frustration of it. Mr. Doyle holds SIPO in high regard. We are all abiding by SIPO and this individual cannot come out and say hypothetically whether he would endorse someone with that report or not. The public are watching this debate. The Secretary General should have some credibility.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: We have moved on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: Chair, could I ask a question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: If nobody else wants to.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(23 Jun 2022)

Verona Murphy: It is not so much a question as what I wish to say after our interaction today. There is now a hugely increased budget in the Department. For the past three years, 50% of that budget, which is now in excess of €6 billion, is coming through the Exchequer. There is provision for the Comptroller and Auditor General to take over the auditing function of the local authorities and I...

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