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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Therefore the CSO knows whom it is interviewing and where they are located.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is my question. I ask for a detailed note in respect of the State balance sheet, which is often referred to here. I want to know where the universities and institutes of technologies are on the State balance sheet. Time is tight now. We would prefer a proper note on that. The issue of the housing agencies came up here recently. We got some reports, some of the big ones, around...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: If we are out of time, I ask for the CSO to send us a note.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: It did not help in how the CSO was seen. I have noted that the CSO frequently uses the word "independent". It looked like a pawn of the Government in that. It was making a case that did not make sense to people because most of Irish Water's income was coming from public sources. The bid did not succeed. I know the Department of Finance was probably very supportive of it. Before this...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. Dalton saying EUROSTAT got it wrong?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms Banim is essentially saying the CSO based its element of the process on the business case that came from the line Department. It was making a business case that it wanted it to succeed. It looks like the CSO took what it was saying as-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is always back to that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: The CSO will send us a note on it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Given that domestic water charges are now gone, I do not understand why somebody is trying to make a case at this stage.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does Ms Banim mean that if domestic water charges come back, the CSO will get it right the next time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: The CSO will send us a note. We have six minutes left in this session and I call Deputy Connolly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 4 - Central Statistics Office
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank all the witnesses. They may send the information directly to the committee. We appreciate that. This was a short session, but on a clear, concise area. I thank Mr. Dalton and his three colleagues for the information provided at today's meeting and the information we will receive in writing from them in due course.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will now examine the 2017 appropriation accounts, Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General. The Comptroller and Auditor General, Seamus McCarthy, is the auditor for the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General. He is accompanied by Mr. Bernard Barron, partner with Mazars, which carries out the audit on behalf of the Comptroller and Auditor General. I think it is the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. McCarthy and call Ms Drinan to make her opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: What does Ms Drinan mean by examination reporting? Is that special reports?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Thank you very much for that opening statement, Ms Drinan. Deputy Murphy has indicated and she will be the first speaker. I have to leave before 12.30 p.m. one way or the other because I have another commitment that I cannot get out of. We will see how we are fixed by then.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: On the report, Ms Drinan stated that approximately 15% goes on the reporting side. Ideally, it would be good if that was at 20% or 25%.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Its audit office has the resources or whatever to do these extra works. Although 75% may be routine audits, people may pay more attention to special projects and special works. That is an observation more than anything else. I am sure the witnesses would not disagree with it. Ms Drinan referred to contracting out and mentioned that it is done by local union agreement. Is that specific to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Person hours.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General
(11 Apr 2019)

Seán Fleming: Obviously, the figures have been published. What are the two or three largest audit fees received by the office? If the witnesses are not aware of that, I ask them to send a note to the committee. I am asking out of curiosity. Which organisations account for the largest audit fees?

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