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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: We know how many tenancies there are.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Where did the additional 18,000 come from?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: When the CSO tells us that the starting figure of 613,000 tenants is an underestimation, what does the Minister do to deal with that fact?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: I thank the Minister for taking me through this. I expect there is some guesstimation in relation to this but that it is not a major issue. I will go back to the issue of the advice the Minister got from the Department. From all the documents I have seen, the Department officials have been clear to the Minister that the likely scenario here, to quote his officials, is that the rational...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: That is fair enough and that is the Minister's prerogative as Minister for Finance. I would never suggest that a Minister in any Department should be bound completely by the advice of officials but I asked the question given that it was the Minister's own position and he has made a massive U-turn in the space of 12 months. That would be welcome if he went the full hog. I will leave it at...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Okay, or the €5,000 in rent for a couple?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: I am happy to pair for the vote.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: On the "specified landlord", one of these means a "Minister of the Government". Obviously, I can understand the rationale behind this because it could be extrapolated as a supported tenancy, for example the Defence Forces. That would also rule out a Minister of the Government. Some of the Minister's colleagues in government are landlords. Under this definition, where they now fall, their...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: But where does it say that? It does not say that. It does basically say that the "specified landlord" means a Minister of the Government. It does not say in just their professional capacity. A number of Ministers are landlords. Their tenants should be entitled to claim this rent credit.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Okay. Explain to me how that is. "Specified landlord" means a Minister of the Government in this section.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: The Minister has sought advice from the Attorney General that the tenants of the Minister's colleagues in Cabinet will be able to avail of this tax credit.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: On the Revenue end of this, what is Revenue's position in being able to make these credits available? Do they have to build new systems? Can they integrate it with an existing system? Will the Minister give some details on that?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: How will they do that? Is it just through Revenue online, ROS? Is that all a person must do, just as he or she would do if claiming medical expenses?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: For a PAYE employee, it would definitely be through that,

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: These changes arise from the report of the Commission and Taxation and Welfare. We are not opposed to these amendments. Since my colleague Deputy Mairéad Farrell has gone to the Dáil to vote, could we return to the matter when she returns if she has a question?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: I move amendment No. 13: In page 22, between lines 26 and 27, to insert the following: "Report on the Foreign Earnings Deduction 14.The Minister shall, within six months of the passing of this Act, prepare and lay before Dáil Éireann a report on the Foreign Earnings Deduction, the extent to which the relief has achieved its policy objectives and to review its qualifying...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: I hear what the Minister has said, namely that there will be another review. I would prefer if it were next year, as the Minister will understand. It has been a while since the last one, in 2019, and work practices are changing. I do not have any evidence to suggest there is activity of the kind in question but we know we are in a different environment in which work practices have changed....

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Is this on the special assignee relief programme, SARP?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: For the benefit of Deputy Farrell, an issue she wished to raise on the KEEP might be raised now.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (15 Nov 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Can the Minister directly answer the recommendations from the experts he asked to look at this in the Commission on Taxation and Welfare? It recommended a higher effective tax rate, a reduction in the upper limit and restrictions in some of the benefits, such as fees for private education. Why were those recommendations not accepted by the Minister?

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