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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: It is probably a he. It is extraordinary that we are sitting here talking about women's bodies in front of nearly all men. I am used to going to committee's on climate change or something where it nearly all men. Could the witness tell us the role of the person that he reported to?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: The head of the national screening service.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: Dr. Coffey told nobody else above him about it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: The witnesses got the word in January.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: There was a legal case coming up.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: When was it known that it was turning into a procedure in the court?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: The witness could have still talked to someone above him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: Were many of the laboratories here applying for accreditation when the outsourcing was done?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: That is true. Many of them were already applying.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: They were in the room when it was being outsourced.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: But not for the laboratories.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: Sorry?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: I want to follow on quickly from that. There were 208 false negatives. That is all over the news and Mr. O'Brien does not know the laboratories from which they came. He cannot tell us that, and it was raised in the Dáil yesterday and elsewhere the day before. Hello.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: From where did the 208 missed diagnoses come?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: From different laboratories.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: Can Mr. Gleeson not say how many of them came from the United States, Sandyford and the Coombe? I would imagine that figure is in his head somewhere and that he knows it. If he does not, he is not doing a proper job. That is a fundamental question in terms of what was said in 2008. Mr. O'Brien misrepresented Dr. Gibbons and the obstetrician when he said that that is not what they...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: Yes, but I do have questions. Can I ask them after Mr. O'Brien responds?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: I am not clear on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: Mr. O'Brien will tell us the exact number of false negatives and the laboratories from which they came. Are we clear about that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Bríd Smith: Why would Mr. Gleeson not name them?

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