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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is the very matter I have issues with.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I very much welcome each and every one of the witnesses. Well done to them on their work to date. It is incredibly important in the times we live in. My questions concern three different areas. I have some questions about the PSC; some questions about finance and funding, which I have concerns about, scale being the big issue; and then some questions about aspects of the Data Protection...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: It contains approximately 25 words.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: But not for everything else.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is quite clear and explained precisely. My next question is to the most senior witness from the Department. I do not know who that is but perhaps it is Mr. Fallon. The Office of the Data Protection Commissioner is independent but until next year the parent Department is the Department of Justice and Equality. That is the parent relationship rather than funding and day-to-day matters....

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Fallon is dancing around the edge, so I will ask the question again. Does the Department of Justice and Equality accept fully the findings of the Data Protection Commissioner on this issue?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am not asking Mr Fallon to do that. I presume, however, that he would have anticipated this question when preparing to come before the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: Is the following statement inaccurate? The Department of Justice and Equality does not accept the findings of the Data Protection Commission on this issue. It is a "Yes" or "No" answer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am asking whether that statement is inaccurate.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: Let me rephrase that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am not asking Mr. Fallon to do that. It is my interpretation of the answers given by him that the Department does not accept the findings of the Data Protection Commissioner on this. That is a statement of my view.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: What I am asking Mr. Fallon is whether it is inaccurate.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I thank Mr. Fallon for that comment because it is helpful. With regard to the wider aspects of the Department's work - it is the parent Department and that is why I am asking these questions - I presume it will not be requiring the public services card to be used for anything it is responsible for administering.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: To go back to the Data Protection Commissioner, it was very interesting to hear a previous speaker pose a question I was going to ask about meeting the Minister. Great clarity has been provided today to the effect that the Data Protection Commissioner was willing to meet the Minister prior to her issuing a response. Is this fair to say?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: It would not be appropriate after that. I accept that. At any point did Ms Dixon or the people working with her feel pressure from a Department regarding this issue? The independence of the office is absolutely paramount. At any point did Ms Dixon feel her independence was in any way being affected or challenged? I hope the answer is "In no way at all".

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: What about during the investigation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is very interesting.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am glad to hear that but I would like to tease the matter out further. In layman's terms, for the benefit of the members of the public watching, who have taken a huge interest in this, and to expand on what Ms Dixon just said, was the feeling in the organisation that as the investigation evolved there was greater awareness or clarity among the Departments regarding the independent nature...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is a bit more than that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner (26 Sep 2019)

Alan Kelly: Ms Dixon is a little bit more than an annoyance in other words.

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