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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Health Information and Quality Authority (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: On the review of best practice, HIQA made a recommendation that an international review of best practice be undertaken. How stands that recommendation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Health Information and Quality Authority (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: I thank Ms Dunnion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: I apologise in advance as I am under time constraints and will have to leave the meeting. Some of us have questions to the Minister, who is in the Chamber so I will not delay. I thank the witnesses for coming. Tusla's statement is very clear in that it sets out pathways and challenges. I welcome this and acknowledge the recruitment and retention challenges Tusla faces. I also acknowledge...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Does there continue to be a structured engagement with HIQA?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: How often does that take place? Does it take place through the expert assurance group?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: I ask Mr. Smyth to talk to me about Tusla's whole-time equivalents. The number of staff has reached 3,893.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Of those, 1,453 are involved in social work or social care.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Is this increase a result of the recruitment drive?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Tusla has 499 agency staff.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Of those, 226 are social workers and 160 are in social care.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: How much is this costing Tusla, quarterly or annually?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: That is obviously a substantial cost.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: What is Mr. Smyth doing to shift that dynamic in order that Tusla can recruit these people as whole-time equivalents?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: If I were an agency worker, why would I want to go into Tusla? Is it more beneficial in terms of my terms and conditions and rate of pay to stay as an agency worker?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Is Mr. Smyth trying proactively to disrupt this dynamic in order to bring them in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Do we know how much the agencies are creaming off the top for-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: How much?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Can Mr. Smyth supply us with general figures regarding this dynamic? If it is €31 million, it is a big chunk of change out of Tusla's annual budget. If 10% is going to recruitment agencies, that is an unmitigated scandal. I am not blaming the witnesses for that - that is the way the system is working - but there is something inherently wrong in that. My next question concerns...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Fostering is as difficult and challenging as the other areas.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Recruitment and Retention of Social Workers: Tusla (13 Feb 2019)

Seán Sherlock: My last question concerns international best practice. The witnesses may not have the answer now. I perceive that the role of a social worker in society today is potentially very much more complex than it might have been ten, 15 or 20 years ago. Is there a natural rate of burnout? Is there a period of years beyond which one should not work so as to guarantee the well-being of the...

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