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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will ask the Department for its take on the report carried out by the consultancy firm.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. The next item is No. 1924B. Members will recall that the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine recently appeared before the committee. This item is from Brendan Gleeson, Secretary General of that Department. It is dated 1 June and provides information requested by the committee arising from its meeting with the Department on 4 May. It is proposed to note and publish this...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: The next item is No. R1926 B from Mr. John Callinan, Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach, dated 7 June 2023. It provides an update regarding developments in relation to tribunals of inquiry and commissions of investigation. It is proposed to note and publish this item of correspondence. Is that agreed? Agreed. At our last meeting on 1 June, we considered previous...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: He also referred to the final report from Mr. Justice Cregan, which included the suggestion that a more consistent way of doing it be put in place. We have reached a point after a number of investigations, some of which have taken a decade and more and cost tens of millions of euro, that there has to be a better system of doing this. Is Deputy Murphy happy enough with Mr. Callinan's...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: It says it will consider suggestions on the reform of the commission of investigation process, the closing remarks made by Mr. Justice Cregan. We will see what comes out of that. We need to keep on top of that. No. 1928 B is from Mr. Robert Watt, Secretary General of the Department of Health, dated 8 June 2023. It provides information requested by the committee regarding the proposed...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay, we can request that. It is an issue that is coming up. Obviously a lot of things have happened very quickly and a lot of people have stepped into that space. They are providing accommodation. Some of them are new to it while others were already in the accommodation business and have facilities. There are a lot of entrants. We know from the hearings that some people are operating as...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will inform him of our decision. That concludes our consideration of correspondence. Moving on to our work programme, at our next meeting on 22 June, we will engage with the Department of Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media. I propose that we also add chapter 4 of the Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2021 on the re-allocation of Voted funding to the agenda as...

Retained Fire Services: Motion [Private Members] (13 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: We are talking the retained firefighters and their families for granted. The Government needs to put a realistic offer on the table. The two counties I represent, namely, Laois and Offaly, are completely dependent on retained firefighters. I met delegates yesterday from all the stations in the county and they outlined the crisis. This is not just the crisis of the firefighters but the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Apologies have been received from Deputy Verona Murphy. I remind all those in attendance to ensure their mobile phones are switched off or on silent mode. Before we start, I wish to explain some limitations to parliamentary privilege, and the practice of the Houses as regards reference witnesses may make to other persons in their evidence. The evidence of witnesses physically present or...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: I welcome Mr. Doyle and invite him to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Doyle.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Deputy, treat the witness with respect.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy is running over time.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have somebody here from the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform. Ms Connors, you might wish to answer some of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Just to clarify, Ms Connors, this does not actually relate to paygrades-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: The panel is actively examining that there would be a re-examination of some Secretaries General being paid more than others. Is that right? I am trying to keep it simple.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is being carried out by a panel of civil servants, is it?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is being carried out by a panel of civil servants.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes, just on who makes up the panel-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: -----and whether there are outside consultants or individuals brought in on it.

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