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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Does that cover item 4, operational services supplies and sundry equipment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Also in Vote 11, subhead A5, the managed European development fund, went from €39 million in output in 2024 to a target of €67 million in 2025. It is a standout figure of approximately €30 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: It is mainly capital expenditure? It is quite a big number - there is a €28 million increase.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Will the Minister provide more details?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: On Vote 12, is the increase in the appropriation-in-aid single pension figure from €562,000 to €690,000 credits back? That reduces costs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: On Vote 17, there is quite a significant decrease in the appropriation from €870,000 to €206,000. Appropriation-in-aid was €870,000 in 2024 and it is estimated at €206,000 in 2025. That seems a dramatic drop. The deduction is far less in 2025 than it was in 2024.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Will the Minister provide more detail about that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: The metrics are all percentages. I would like to see numbers rather than percentages for gender quotas, etc. In light of expenditure overruns in some State boards, would the Minister consider a metric for the number of people on State boards with a professional accounting qualification with a target of at least one?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: On Vote 18, the shared services facility, the Minister spoke about improving efficiencies in shared services going forward, which is an ambition. I know how difficult it is to realise gains when shared services operations are being set up; I was involved in one years ago. Is there any evidence the operation of shared services has reduced costs or has it actually resulted in increased costs?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: I appreciate that integrating systems and streamlining payroll systems, centralising and having everyone follow the same rules is a good thing but often it can increase costs and the people who were meant to be replaced are never replaced. They are just left there and the payroll overhead increases. In Vote 19, there is an increase in costs from 2024 to 2025 from €14.5 million to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Generally, going through the report, it is obviously not part of the Minister's obligation, but it would help in understanding what is going on if we had staff number metrics. There is none. The figure is in euro and one sees the number going up. Are there are extra staff? I know it is under the Ombudsman now. I looked through the report and could not see any evidence of increase in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Am I right in saying that staff numbers are not part of this 250-page report?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: This is my last question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: Can the Minister of State provide any information on the plans for the Government's digital wallet?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: From my limited knowledge, there are boards that have people with no cost control or accounting qualification. I was struck a few years ago by the fact that of the ten or 12 members of NOAC, the board that oversees the operations of councils and does benchmarking of costs, not one person had an accountancy qualification.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: I will wrap up with two short questions for the Minister of State, Deputy Higgins. What engagement has happened with SMEs to inform the upcoming public procurement strategy?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Minister for Public Expenditure, Infrastructure, Public Service Reform and Digitalisation (25 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: No. I had a question for the Minister, Deputy Chambers, but he has left.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Annual Progress Report 2025: Discussion (24 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: I looked at last year's multiyear expenditure plan, which showed a rapid increase in interest payments to €5.3 billion in 2030 versus €3.1 billion in 2024. I thought we would have been looking at reducing our interest charges over the coming decade.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Annual Progress Report 2025: Discussion (24 Jun 2025)

Edward Timmins: It is a significant number. We got a summary from the Parliamentary Budget Office. I am referring to that. It is based on Department of Finance publications. How do the corporation tax forecasts for 2024, excluding the Apple payment, and the one so far for 2025, compare to the actual?

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